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  1. #61
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Seacoast Of New Hampshire USA
    Posts
    30
    So wait - I shouldn't ask Steven Sinofsky Ph.D. to join the ICA
    I know I know - I just felt I could use a beating. Go head.

    Jude @ the ICA

    btw - "Domains Are Property" is beating other categories as 62%
    www.InternetCommerce.org

  2. #62
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Portugal
    Posts
    89
    here is one i've just received (from the "famous" bonbon.net).

    looks like the last paragraph is the most common trace in all reported scam emails :

    --------------

    FROM: BNT Consulting [rivard@bonbon.net]

    Hello,

    We 've found your name listed for sale.

    If you are still interested in seling please send your quote and I will consider it with my partners.

    Main direction of our business is software development and technical support.

    Domain names is not our business but a new way to earn on reselling. We are going to buy domains to resell them at higher prices since we have a large database of clients interested in good domains.

    Looking forward to do business with you.

    Regards,
    BRIAN RIVARD
    CEO
    BNT Consulting

    ----------

    and the origin mail header:

    Received: from firstbroker (ppp129-93.dialup.mtu-net.ru [62.118.129.93])
    by smtp04.mtu.ru (Postfix) with SMTP id 65FDE83613C


    i don't even bother to contact the origin ISP because my experience with various types of internet scams is that no one does anything even when they can do something (ranging from ISPs to Non-Profit organizations for combact to this scams).
    my kingdom for a short domain!

  3. #63
    Can anyone give me info on LeapFish.com?

  4. #64
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    22
    Here's one I just got:

    Can you accept 6,000 USD?

    Do you sell domain with a web site or just name?

    If just name it's ok. Web site is not necessary.

    Have you had your domains appraised already? Can you show me your valuation certificates? As fas I know it's a common practice to show appraisal of domain name (even without traffic and web site) before doing business.

    Without appraisal I risk to overpay. In other words I won't be able to make a profit on reselling this name. It's very important for you and me to know the current market value of your domains.

    Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging an appraisal company with REAL manual service. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate auto-generated appraisals. I will only accept appraisals from independent sources I trust. To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum
    http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/831529.htm

    Just check this posting.

    If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. I also hope you can give me 10% - 15% discount of the appraised value.

    After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

    How do you prefer to get paid: www.escrow.com, www.PayPal.com check or wire?

    Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

    Looking forward to your reply.

    His email is:

    Allen Asch
    CEO
    TNT Services

    TNT Services < allen_asch@toughguy.net>

  5. #65
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Behind your curtains
    Posts
    4,793
    Latest one claims to be from 'Mark Boenisch, Vice President, TNS consulting'. Using the toughguy.net email again but boenisch@toughguy.net. Took three emails of back and forth before he launched into his usual rubbish (complete with addition of phoney new child to pull at the heartstrings):

    Robert,

    We were celebrating newborn child of my brother :-). So I could not answer
    your email in time.

    Ok. Let's talk about our deal.

    Can ypou accept 9,000 USD (high four digit)?


    Do you sell domain with a web site or just name?

    If just name it's ok. Web site is not necessary.

    Have you had your domains appraised already? Can you show me your valuation
    certificates? As fas I know it's a common practice to show appraisal of
    domain name (even without traffic and web site) before doing business.

    Without appraisal I risk to overpay. In other words I won't be able to make
    a profit on reselling this name. It's very important for you and me to know
    the current market value of your domains.

    Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging an appraisal company with
    REAL manual service. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate
    auto-generated appraisals. I will only accept appraisals from independent
    sources I trust. To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable
    appraisal companies in a forum

    http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/846593.htm

    Just check this posting.

    If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly.
    I also hope you can give me 10% - 15% discount of the appraised value.

    After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

    How do you prefer to get paid: www.escrow.com, www.PayPal.com check or
    wire?

    Hope we can come to an agreement fast.
    Regards,
    Mark Boenisch
    Vice President
    TNS Software Consulting
    DomainView.co.uk - 60 day droplists. Hosted chasing. Backorders. Thousands of domains caught.
    DomainOffer.co.uk - powerful domain parking and one page website hosting

  6. #66
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    13
    Thanks! i just found in my inbox today

    Hello,

    We are interested in domainname.com

    Your name was auctioned for sale.

    Main direction of our business is network protection and intrusin detection systems.

    So Internet names is just a part of our investment strategy.

    Looking forward to do business with you.

    Regards,
    George Daley
    Vice President
    ITG Software Systems

  7. #67
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Belize City, Belize C.A
    Posts
    6
    well hell i got taken by this guy also!!

    back in december i registered trabajos.ca and the very next day got an email with an offer. he pitched the same line and had me do an appraisal. this time i got the appraisal at domainsecondhand.com ... any idea if domainsecondhand.com is an actual reputable company? i already paid for the appriasal and i'm wondering if its any good

  8. #68
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Wales (UK)
    Posts
    24,745
    The domainsecondhand.com site looks to be essentially the same as the app scam site:

    http://www.securenamesale.com
    When using google for counts - use double quotes for usage counts for multiword terms and set "match type" to "exact" for all search volume lookups. Click here for more info

  9. #69
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Belize City, Belize C.A
    Posts
    6
    you're right, same look, same posts, everything!!

    a lot of people are being taken by these scams.

  10. #70
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Ashland, Oregon
    Posts
    2,843
    Be careful visiting that SecureNameSale.com - McAffee just reported a trojan JS/Downloader-AUD when I visited...

  11. #71
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    SA
    Posts
    13
    Same **** Here

    Guys Name Is Chen
    Chen [vpresident@palmyra.ws]

    10,000 euros. Ok.

    Do you sell domain with a web site or just name?

    If just name it's ok. Web site is not necessary.

    Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals.

    Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too.

    But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I trust.

    To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum
    http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/790536.htm

    Just check this posting.

    If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

    After you send me valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

    What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

    Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

    Looking forward to your reply.

  12. #72
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    1,750
    I had felt neglected because he had never tried to scam me. Well, now he has, and I tried to get a deal without paying for the appraisal. The emails came from phrsys@phreaker.net. He said:

    Can you accept 12,000 USD?

    Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

    Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

    Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals.

    Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too.

    But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I trust.

    To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies.

    Please check this posting from archive:
    http://domaintalk.007sites.com/Archive/270104.htm

    If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

    After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

    What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

    Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

    Looking forward to your reply.
    I replied:

    That sounds like a fair offer - I'll accept it.

    Escrow.com works fine. Please send me your details to use and I'll set up the transaction with them.
    He replied:

    It's a standard practice to show independent valuation to buyers/resellers.
    Nobody will do business without it. I'm a businessman and have no intention
    of changing rules which help both parties to avoid additional risks.

    Of course, investors never take into account auto-generated vlauations. So
    manual valuation is a "must" too.

    I read the following information about appraisals at:
    http://domaintalk.007sites.com/Archive/270104.htm

    Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.

    Hope we can come to an agreement fast because I'll be on vacation soon.
    I said:

    Please feel free to get an independent valuation if you wish.
    He came back with:

    Without manual valuation nobody will buy. You'll sit on your domain for
    years in this case, paying renewal fees to your registrar. Just think about
    it.

    As a seller, you can use a valuation certificate to sell names to other
    buyers. I cannot do the same because I don't keep control over your domain.

    I'm still interested in your domain. Hope you'll change your position. I
    simply don't want to take additional risks.

    Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.
    Fun stuff :-D

  13. #73
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    1,530
    Originally posted by atlas
    I had felt neglected because he had never tried to scam me. Well, now he has, and I tried to get a deal without paying for the appraisal.
    What an exchange! He's quite the tenacious character.

    Imagine how many newbies or non-domainer webmasters get sucked into this.

  14. #74
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Wales (UK)
    Posts
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    no kidding - they've had enough practice over the years to fine tune it
    When using google for counts - use double quotes for usage counts for multiword terms and set "match type" to "exact" for all search volume lookups. Click here for more info

  15. #75
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    Location
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    I had just the same(same wording, different person) about 4 weeks ago. Thought to drag it on just for fun like: ” feel free to get a evaluated appraisal for yourself, I certainly will deduct your expense on the appraisal in case of a sales closure”

    But I got bored and just dropped any thoughts about it.

    I seams they all use e-mail accounts from @phreaker.net

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