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  1. #136
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    Have you registered many i-dns.net names touchring?

  2. #137
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    I've been digging since 1st march, but only registered a few - the good ones taken by people well before 1st march, and it's not worth registering 2nd rated domains due to the high cost and element of uncertainty.

    I'm a native speaker and even then, i find it a challenging task. For .com, it's fine to waste $7.99.

    Ironically, the best name i found was a .cn, dictionary.cn, an 800+ US OVT domain. I happen to chance upon it while checking the new tlds. The idea actually came from ILI's 辞典.公司. :-)

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    Originally posted by ILikeInfo
    They're just building out in the direction they feel the internet needs to go. However they are also causing the approval of a new TLD that others may or may not wish to support but if others independently *DUPLICATED* then and only then would domain names be ambigious. They have caused Defacto approval of TLD outside ICANN's scope or control.

    Well this occuring is really not in anyones best interest i think - in terms of others duplicating others tlds (not in support, but creating their own - a conflict) if that is what you mean.
    Last edited by generic; 2006-03-07 at 11:16 PM.

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    Originally posted by touchring
    I've been digging since 1st march, but only registered a few - the good ones taken by people well before 1st march, and it's not worth registering 2nd rated domains due to the high cost and element of uncertainty.

    I'm a native speaker and even then, i find it a challenging task. For .com, it's fine to waste $7.99.

    Ironically, the best name i found was a .cn, dictionary.cn, an 800+ US OVT domain. I happen to chance upon it while checking the new tlds. The idea actually came from ILI's 辞典.公司. :-)
    are people getting traffic with them?

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    Originally posted by generic
    are people getting traffic with them?

    I've not checked that, but well, what traffic can you expect with such a new concept that even us domain specialists can't 100% figure out what's happening.

    I reckon that probably 98% of the new tlds are registered by mainland chinese, it seems that local forums or news agencies have wrote on them way before the 1st March "global" announcement, which itself was ambiguous.

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    people have been registering these for many years I believe, and now with the extra isp support, i would imagine there may be some traffic

  7. #142
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    I'm actually not so bothered about traffic, it will come eventually. Have you registered any .cn? If you got, you might know the kind of traffic more than me.

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    Given that China has succssfully created an internal IDN system independent of ICAAN or its gTLDs and the fact that vast majority of IDN utility would be local, it has provided a road map for other nations to create their own internal IDN-based *Internets* co-existing with the current global Internet. My instinctive logic would indicate that this would drastically decrease the dependence on, and the need for ICANN based gTLD IDNs; afterall, the IDN phenomenon inherently is a local one rather than global. This could naturally bolster the usage and status of ccTLDs and dampen the need/utility of gTLD-based IDNs.

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    Originally posted by touchring
    I'm actually not so bothered about traffic, it will come eventually. Have you registered any .cn? If you got, you might know the kind of traffic more than me.

    not idn.cn

    I've pretty much kept to spanish and portuguese IDNs, because I know the languages a little and .com makes sense in them

    I did reg some Asian ones (Verisign idn) but had bad experience as they conflicted with other characters and were later taken from me.

    I did reg some i-dns.net names a long, long time ago, whch I don't even remember.


    This is why I was asking you guys about the IDN.IDNs in China and how Verisign IDNs would lets say be theoretically dnamed to a verisign .idn (if that proposal was accepted) - which I reasoned no way, they would likely need to create a different extension (.idn) to avoid conflict with what's being used there now if they wanted to do that but many seemed when I asked the question to just dismiss the CNNIC approved tlds - now people suddenly like them
    Last edited by generic; 2006-03-08 at 12:50 AM.

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    In theory, this would be the case, but .com is deeply entrenched in China, about less than half of websites use .com, and maybe another 15% use .com.cn, another 5% use .net, so leaving only about 30% market share for .cn.

    It would take some time for idn.idn (chinese tld) to catch on, in the meantime, a lot of companies which are already using pinyin.com for their existing websites will be actively promoting idn.com instead of idn.cn to avoid confusion.

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    One of the reasons I like .com is because it will not fall under some other countries rules and restrictions like a ccTLD, that may be created as time goes on. In addition to the fact that .com is so well known and used everywhere.

    But I imagine there will be many ways to speculate in terms of the various extensions. Maybe cctlds in time will get the bulk of local traffic, but .com may still have good value.

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    Originally posted by generic

    I did reg some i-dns.net names a long, long time ago, whch I don't even remember.
    The deciding factor is IE7.

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    Originally posted by touchring
    The deciding factor is IE7.
    I agree. I'm using it now and it works very well btw.

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    BTW - Thanks intlnet for posting here regarding this issue.

    It's been very confusing I think for many.

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    I see that this thread is very active - my first day on it. Let me comment on the interest of the ML.ML Chinese names. They are a "first" in naming.

    1. registrations are for 2 years. I suspect this is to give time enough to the sales to take off and to prepare the olympic games (Chinese athletes will all have their site). So, the $ 150 is actually $ 75 per annum. Extra-years are $ 75.

    2. there is a big experimented difference in value. People picked ".com" because they looked "US local", or better "US international". Here people pick the Chinese names because they are "China local" or "China international". This is a real market with hundred millions of users. For e-commerce someone with a good idea, anywhere in the world and a Chinese speaking consultant or partner, can start selling in China. This is like setting-up a virtual Chinese affiliate. If they give a % on the Chinese sales to the partner, what is the risk?

    3. visiting Chinese start being interesting prospects. If someone from your Chinese quarter starts selling web site sinisation to hotels, restaurants, museum, cities, etc. the trend may be interesting.

    4. this is true for China, but this will also be true for all the other countries. ccTLDs are US oriented. For example ".fr" does not support diacritic characters, only American printing. In this way, the Chinese move may give much more value to all the names. Not just as an interesting character sequence, but for the business they really permit. I think that the real target are near generic names - they cannot be TradeMarked, they have a local real meaning for the people and will not be blocked.

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