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  1. #16
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    Very funny? Yes.
    Very true? I hope not.

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    Very funny. Yes.
    Very true? I hope not.

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    We've seen far too many people follow this pattern over the years - it all stems from people having totally unrealistic expectations of the ease with which domains can be obtained at reg fee in an environment where knowledge and access to experience has been readily available for a number of years and has led to an explosion in the number of participants constantly mining for reg fee gems.

    for every unregistered name that doesn't relate to some new product/service the question has to be asked as to why nobody else (end user or domainer) thought it was worth registering and why just because you register it someone will now likely pay a substantial premium for it.
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    Originally posted by safesys
    for every unregistered name that doesn't relate to some new product/service the question has to be asked as to why nobody else (end user or domainer) thought it was worth registering and why just because you register it someone will now likely pay a substantial premium for it.
    If that is the case (and I mostly agree with you), how is Rick Latona able to do this:

    Start hand registering names like a mad man. I, for one, am going to try and pick up 50,000 names by the end of the year.
    Don’t believe the hype that all of the good names are taken. If you think outside-the-box, you can easilly come up with enough names to fit your budget.
    http://www.ricklatona.com/2008/11/25...for-domainers/

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    Originally posted by atlas
    If that is the case (and I mostly agree with you), how is Rick Latona able to do this:

    http://www.ricklatona.com/2008/11/25...for-domainers/
    I read Latona's comment about registering 50,000 domains. That would be a strategy reserved for very few domainers, and I assume only helpful as a tax write-off mechanism since most of those hand reg names would not monetize anywhere near the acquisition and renewal costs. Probably only applicable too for those who have a stream of 6-7 digit sales per year. Otherwise, bankruptcy due to huge annual net loss.

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    If that is the case (and I mostly agree with you), how is Rick Latona able to do this:
    anyone is able to go out and register 50,000 domains if they have the cash. being able to convert that into profit is a whole different ballgame and certainly not something everyone would be able to do.
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    Originally posted by atlas
    If that is the case (and I mostly agree with you), how is Rick Latona able to do this:





    http://www.ricklatona.com/2008/11/25...for-domainers/
    1) He has huge revenues (cash in hand)
    2) plus the ability to know which domains are saleable..

    In other words the ability to place thousands of small (8 USD) semi-educated bets that serve as tax-write-offs or even make a few risky purchases , a few winners and he is "in the money".

    A lot of domainers do this in the USA at the end of the year (at a smaller scale) , you either re-invest or give a large portion to Uncle Sam.
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    Originally posted by safesys
    anyone is able to go out and register 50,000 domains if they have the cash. being able to convert that into profit is a whole different ballgame and certainly not something everyone would be able to do.
    Absolutely. (And I'd venture to say that no one can register 50,000 new names at this stage of the game and make a net profit, even over a ten-year timeframe.)

    On a somewhat related note, I'd love to see a chart relating dollar-value domain sales to date of first registration, especially for domains sold for more than 10,000. I suspect it would be an eye-opening study.

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    Sorry, I probably did not phrase things all that well. Presumably Rick Latona is doing this as he believes that it is a profitable strategy to follow. Also, presumably, he doesn't expect to sell those domains for several years and has factored in the holding costs.

    So, he seems to think that hand registering new domains on a large scale is a profitable strategy in the long run (if you're doing it intelligently) and that there must be lots of unregistered domains that are still worth registering.

    I read Latona's comment about registering 50,000 domains. That would be a strategy reserved for very few domainers, and I assume only helpful as a tax write-off mechanism since most of those hand reg names would not monetize anywhere near the acquisition and renewal costs. Probably only applicable too for those who have a stream of 6-7 digit sales per year. Otherwise, bankruptcy due to huge annual net loss.
    Obviously, most people couldn't replicate this sort of scale, but it could be done on a smaller scale.

    anyone is able to go out and register 50,000 domains if they have the cash. being able to convert that into profit is a whole different ballgame and certainly not something everyone would be able to do.
    He's committing $400,000 per year for several years - with a 7 figure commitment, I would think he's pretty confident that he will profit.

    In other words the ability to place thousands of small (8 USD) semi-educated bets that serve as tax-write-offs or even make a few risky purchases , a few winners and he is "in the money".
    I suppose that's sort of what I'm getting at. It seems like a sensible strategy to me if you know what you are doing. That's why I can't fully agree with safesys' statement:

    for every unregistered name that doesn't relate to some new product/service the question has to be asked as to why nobody else (end user or domainer) thought it was worth registering and why just because you register it someone will now likely pay a substantial premium for it.
    There must still be lots and lots of domains out there that haven't been registered where it is possible to sell at a substantial premium. Maybe it's not a strategy for someone new to the industry to follow, but after you've got some experience as to what sells, I can see how this could be profitable.

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    Originally posted by namethink
    Absolutely. (And I'd venture to say that no one can register 50,000 new names at this stage of the game and make a net profit, even over a ten-year timeframe.)

    On a somewhat related note, I'd love to see a chart relating dollar-value domain sales to date of first registration, especially for domains sold for more than 10,000. I suspect it would be an eye-opening study.
    sounds like fun.
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    preliminary results from top 100 sales from nambio (excluding a few ccTLDs... de/no specifically).

    only 2 domains were bought that were regged after 2000
    AntiSpyware.com and Music.mobi

    1-2 were dropped after they were sold.

    mean 1995
    median 1995.56
    mode 1994
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    Originally posted by atlas
    If that is the case (and I mostly agree with you), how is Rick Latona able to do this:





    http://www.ricklatona.com/2008/11/25...for-domainers/
    Well he isn't actually doing it, it something he says he is going to do (results unknown).

    I am very wary of investment suggests made solely/mainly for the purpose of saving tax. Registering 10,000 or thousands of fresh names for tax reasons sounds like a rocky purchase, especially for any new player.

    There is a reason why these are deductible, it is because the tax man is a bit more level headed than average domain buyer and considers these names an "expense", whereas the people registering them (usually mistakenly) consider them "assets".

    The best thing people can do to save tax in my view is bring forward any expenses that would be due early in the new tax year rather than trying to spend money on things they wouldn't buy but for the tax deucation.
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    Originally posted by Domo Sapiens

    In other words the ability a) to place thousands of small (8 USD) semi-educated bets that serve as tax-write-offs or b) even make a few risky purchases , a few winners and he is "in the money".

    A lot of domainers do this in the USA at the end of the year (at a smaller scale) , you either re-invest or give a large portion to Uncle Sam.
    To clarify I don't know anybody that does "a" but quite a few that do "B" including myself, I was lucky enough to find some 3 letter .com's last year (late December) at deep-wholesale prices, due to their liquidty it was easy to sell them right away ...

    Also Rick might be playing the C.C market at a large scale.(like .com.mx)
    Good point Snoop on forwarding expenses, on this uncertain market it might make more sense to play it safe and renew domains due next year.
    Last edited by Domo Sapiens; 2008-11-30 at 12:38 PM.
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    Originally posted by kohashi
    preliminary results from top 100 sales from nambio (excluding a few ccTLDs... de/no specifically).

    only 2 domains were bought that were regged after 2000
    AntiSpyware.com and Music.mobi

    1-2 were dropped after they were sold.

    mean 1995
    median 1995.56
    mode 1994
    Kohashi, I didn't think anyone would take my suggestion seriously (it sounds like too much work.)

    I very much appreciate you sharing this analysis. Definite food for thought for all those whose domain strategy includes a lot of fresh regs...particularly newbies.

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