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  1. #31
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    I have never had any success with domaining, I have been trying this for some time now... Some tips on that will be really appreciated...
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  2. #32
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    thank u it was so helpful

  3. #33
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    Hi, thanks for the useful information been given. Please, how can i make money with my domain undeveloped? I have this domain "for sale" advocates.es

    Thanks






    Quote Originally Posted by fatter View Post
    Just to add I wonder what percentage of endusers actually view even good domains as just above reg fee, I think there are probably about ten percent of endusers that reaaly see the value of domains maybe less than that, just as an example a major health insurance company offered me 300 dollars for a domain that they own the hyphen of and i own the hyphenless name. I think they spent over 50k in adds considering i see them everywhere. They were very polite with there offer and followup when I told them i will be developing eventually and they wished me luck. This name earns me 1k-2.5k a year, so in many cases domainers actually pay more than endusers I think

  4. #34
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    Afternic is now for the 5 million domains listed for sale, but the problem with the difference in the sold/listed ratio is due to a very high amount of people registering crap domains and waiting for them to sell as premium ones. Domaining has attracted a lot of people from all over the world as the promised land in which they will become millionaire but as many as enter are also getting out as they say they are not making money but losing it (registering/renewal fees, promotion, listing fees etc.).
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  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giode View Post
    Sorry superwari0, but I don't agree. If you NEED to sell a domain, being proactive is always a better solution than sitting back and waiting. I think if anything, Safesys opening post proves this.

    People give up too easy. That's why contacting potential end-users rarely works. 3-4 hours sending emails is not enough time spent to call it an honest effort.

    Maybe I have a different take on this because I did door-to-door sales during my summers in college selling pest control contracts (of all things). It was brutal work being that it was hot, humid, full of rejection, and required consistency daily to be successful. By the summers end, I usually made somewhere in the mid $xx,xxx mark as a result of being proactive and approaching people. I saw many people quit before really trying. These guys lacked vision and real mental toughness.

    I bring that philosophy to domaining. It's all about numbers and finding the right people. You never know when one of your emails will show up in the inbox of a company owner who just had the single best sales day ever for his growing business. Or a company that just discussed in a board meeting the need to create more of an online presence. Or the business owner that recently decided he should invest substantial money into a better domain name. Etc.... There are hundreds of possible scenarios where your email will show up at just the right time for a particular business. Finding these people requires a ton of hard work. Maybe weeks. If it took a month to close a 6 digit deal, would it be worth it?

    I can back this up with past successes doing this. It's looking like I may close another very lucrative end-user sale in the next week using this method (I have already had a 150k offer from another end-user I emailed just this week - which I respectfully declined. I can verify this to the mods if needs be.
    The last thing I want is for this to sound like boasting. Look at it this way; if it works for one, it can work for all. Nothing that magical about it.

    I completely agree with Safesys and what he said in the opening post about keeping it real. The numbers don't lie. I don't think many people know more about this business than Safesys, Snoopy, and Matt.
    Thanks for this useful and valuable information!

  6. #36
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    I have never had any success with domaining, I have been trying this for some time now... Some tips on that will be really appreciated...

  7. #37
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    Nice Blog Domain XD!

    I agree with you completely. The trick is it finding/creating a valuable domain name to begin with.
    If you should have a great name the sales will be much easier.

  8. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by safesys View Post
    I think a lot of newer entrants to the domain industry have a very unrealistic expectation with regards to end user sales.

    The pattern seems to be requesting appraisals based on the best possible scenario with regards to the buyer for a domain but then just listing the domain on some domainer to domainer venue (forum, sedo, ebay, a domain auction etc) and then sitting back and expecting to get a big payoff because they've seen other (perhaps superficially similar) names sell to end users.

    The reality is that when it comes to domains of "commercially usable" quality in .com, the odds of getting passive end user interest are actually very low - single digit percentage low.

    Take a look at the Afternic DSL figures as per DNJ this week. They list about 450 sales this week, that is from a pool of over 2 million domains listed there as per the afternic site. Taking thew 2m figure, that gives a total percentage of just 0.0225% sold per week or 1.17% per annum. Of the total 2m, I'd think a few hundred thousand were actually genuinely commercially viable .com's which would make the percentage sold just over 10% - and Afternic do promote the domains more actively than just listing and waiting for end users to beat a path to the afternic site.

    These are the kind of odds for usable domains, domains that on average have a reasonable amount of usage by a reasonable number of commercial entities in a commercial labeling capacity - the kind of names companies are likely to come up with in their their top 5 shortlist of preferred domains for their offerings (descriptive and brand)

    This should illustrate why there is a big void between end user pricing in this scenario and what the domain is likely to get in a domainer to domainer environment as they have to factor in the margin required to make it worthwhile in addition to the probability of getting that end user interest.

    The odds increase the greater the effort put into marketing and promoting the domains to potential suitors, but deviating below this level of quality obviously lowers the odds. For other tld's, it generally requires a term of much higher quality (in terms of who, how and how much) to maintain the same odds, for "creative" terms with little usage the odds plummet.

    To get an end user sale there are several hurdles:

    1) how many people use the term in a commercial capacity such that it would be one of their most preferred choices

    2) how many of those would be willing to pay much of a premium for any domain - even their number one choice.

    3) how many of those would pay the premium for this specific term variant in this specific tld.

    4) how many of those are in the market right now for a new domain or domain "upgrade" and are aware of the domain being for sale or could be tempted to buy if made aware

    The longer the timeframe, the better the odds for the above - generally speaking unless usage of the terms are on the decline.

    There are some anomalies in the market where domainers (rathen than end users) are the core demand due to tokenisation and group speculation - 3 (and to a degree 4) letter .coms and .mobi come to mind.

    Added: the odds of end user interest are also likely to be lower if the domain has never been registered before. If nobody wanted a domain at registration fee it is unlikely there will suddenly be demand for it just because someone registered it and hiked the price up unless it targets some kind of emerging market.
    good articles

  9. #39
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    Very valuable disscussion

    Quote Originally Posted by safesys View Post
    I think a lot of newer entrants to the domain industry have a very unrealistic expectation with regards to end user sales.

    The pattern seems to be requesting appraisals based on the best possible scenario with regards to the buyer for a domain but then just listing the domain on some domainer to domainer venue (forum, sedo, ebay, a domain auction etc) and then sitting back and expecting to get a big payoff because they've seen other (perhaps superficially similar) names sell to end users.

    The reality is that when it comes to domains of "commercially usable" quality in .com, the odds of getting passive end user interest are actually very low - single digit percentage low.

    Take a look at the Afternic DSL figures as per DNJ this week. They list about 450 sales this week, that is from a pool of over 2 million domains listed there as per the afternic site. Taking thew 2m figure, that gives a total percentage of just 0.0225% sold per week or 1.17% per annum. Of the total 2m, I'd think a few hundred thousand were actually genuinely commercially viable .com's which would make the percentage sold just over 10% - and Afternic do promote the domains more actively than just listing and waiting for end users to beat a path to the afternic site.

    These are the kind of odds for usable domains, domains that on average have a reasonable amount of usage by a reasonable number of commercial entities in a commercial labeling capacity - the kind of names companies are likely to come up with in their their top 5 shortlist of preferred domains for their offerings (descriptive and brand)

    This should illustrate why there is a big void between end user pricing in this scenario and what the domain is likely to get in a domainer to domainer environment as they have to factor in the margin required to make it worthwhile in addition to the probability of getting that end user interest.

    The odds increase the greater the effort put into marketing and promoting the domains to potential suitors, but deviating below this level of quality obviously lowers the odds. For other tld's, it generally requires a term of much higher quality (in terms of who, how and how much) to maintain the same odds, for "creative" terms with little usage the odds plummet.

    To get an end user sale there are several hurdles:

    1) how many people use the term in a commercial capacity such that it would be one of their most preferred choices

    2) how many of those would be willing to pay much of a premium for any domain - even their number one choice.

    3) how many of those would pay the premium for this specific term variant in this specific tld.

    4) how many of those are in the market right now for a new domain or domain "upgrade" and are aware of the domain being for sale or could be tempted to buy if made aware

    The longer the timeframe, the better the odds for the above - generally speaking unless usage of the terms are on the decline.

    There are some anomalies in the market where domainers (rathen than end users) are the core demand due to tokenisation and group speculation - 3 (and to a degree 4) letter .coms and .mobi come to mind.

    Added: the odds of end user interest are also likely to be lower if the domain has never been registered before. If nobody wanted a domain at registration fee it is unlikely there will suddenly be demand for it just because someone registered it and hiked the price up unless it targets some kind of emerging market.
    This is nice discussion about the domainners, i am too glad after red this.

  10. #40
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    What happen are that most of the people who joined domain business stumbled upon the biz and, in most cases they do not have someone like motivator or experienced to help or tutor them before and when they are in the biz. So they practice by trial and errors.
    For example myself, when I first started the biz I have no body to help me through, not until I joint DomainSherpa.com, namepros.com and DNFourm.com with lot and lots of practice of trial and errors before getting the secret behind the biz.

    Even while I was learning I have 7 mistakes which I commonly committed and you can find the details of my mistakes here
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  11. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by safesys View Post
    I think a lot of newer entrants to the domain industry have a very unrealistic expectation with regards to end user sales.

    The pattern seems to be requesting appraisals based on the best possible scenario with regards to the buyer for a domain but then just listing the domain on some domainer to domainer venue (forum, sedo, ebay, a domain auction etc) and then sitting back and expecting to get a big payoff because they've seen other (perhaps superficially similar) names sell to end users.

    The reality is that when it comes to domains of "commercially usable" quality in .com, the odds of getting passive end user interest are actually very low - single digit percentage low.

    Take a look at the Afternic DSL figures as per DNJ this week. They list about 450 sales this week, that is from a pool of over 2 million domains listed there as per the afternic site. Taking thew 2m figure, that gives a total percentage of just 0.0225% sold per week or 1.17% per annum. Of the total 2m, I'd think a few hundred thousand were actually genuinely commercially viable .com's which would make the percentage sold just over 10% - and Afternic do promote the domains more actively than just listing and waiting for end users to beat a path to the afternic site.

    These are the kind of odds for usable domains, domains that on average have a reasonable amount of usage by a reasonable number of commercial entities in a commercial labeling capacity - the kind of names companies are likely to come up with in their their top 5 shortlist of preferred domains for their offerings (descriptive and brand)

    This should illustrate why there is a big void between end user pricing in this scenario and what the domain is likely to get in a domainer to domainer environment as they have to factor in the margin required to make it worthwhile in addition to the probability of getting that end user interest.

    The odds increase the greater the effort put into marketing and promoting the domains to potential suitors, but deviating below this level of quality obviously lowers the odds. For other tld's, it generally requires a term of much higher quality (in terms of who, how and how much) to maintain the same odds, for "creative" terms with little usage the odds plummet.

    To get an end user sale there are several hurdles:

    1) how many people use the term in a commercial capacity such that it would be one of their most preferred choices

    2) how many of those would be willing to pay much of a premium for any domain - even their number one choice.

    3) how many of those would pay the premium for this specific term variant in this specific tld.

    4) how many of those are in the market right now for a new domain or domain "upgrade" and are aware of the domain being for sale or could be tempted to buy if made aware

    The longer the timeframe, the better the odds for the above - generally speaking unless usage of the terms are on the decline.

    There are some anomalies in the market where domainers (rathen than end users) are the core demand due to tokenisation and group speculation - 3 (and to a degree 4) letter .coms and .mobi come to mind.

    Added: the odds of end user interest are also likely to be lower if the domain has never been registered before. If nobody wanted a domain at registration fee it is unlikely there will suddenly be demand for it just because someone registered it and hiked the price up unless it targets some kind of emerging market.
    Clear and useful
    Thanks a lot

  12. #42
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    Domain Registration


  13. #43
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    Need experience and petition for domain reselling

  14. #44
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    Cool Development is also an option.

    Development is also an option.

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