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  1. #31
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    Originally posted by omeriah
    "airlines" and didn't see your site on the first page. How are you generating traffic?

    Thanks,
    Omeriah
    That's the beauty of developing ..you dont have just one access point ..you are found on multiple keywords .. every page you build is another access point.

    Google
    Independence airline
    or
    midway airport address

    Hundreds of keyword phrases


    You arent trying to rank on just your main keyword.. but rather across a range of keywords

    The search engines are in constant state of reshuffling their indexes and every few months they do a major overhaul.. you lose some rankings here you gain them there ..you never just stay in one place

    BTW 5th for airlines on MSN , was 12th on Yahoo but lost all rankings a month ago ...just now being reindexed ..thats why you dont design for any one SE ..
    6 Months ago I went through a 2 month drought on G ..Yahoo and MSN picked up the slack

    Imagine SEO'ing for Google ...not ranking on MSN or Y and then one day you lose Google rankings... that's the trouble of designing for anyone specific se
    ..you want a diversified traffic flow ... when one falls you still have other sources traffic

    So how do you bring traffic ? You build across a wide range of keywords and keyword phrases relational to your site ..you then need inbound links ..the more sites that link to you the better ,the more quality sites that link to you is best .

  2. #32
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    Nice contribution to the education of the masses Bid.

    Signed,
    C.O.M.
    Charter Member of m-asses
    Going fishing, soon, I hope.

  3. #33
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    Originally posted by CrankyOldMan

    Charter Member of m-asses

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    Trademark questions

    Ok, I get it. Thanks. I assume you are tagging all your pages with relevant keyword metatags and that's how they are getting indexed? This may not be the right jargon.

    A few other questions that I think others may have as well, and then I'll leave you alone to make some $$...

    1. Can you recommend a good parking company? I read that SEDO does a lot, but they are best for European traffic. I read Afternic is best in the US. I plan to develop my own pages, but until then, I want to park.

    2. I purchased a handful of .org domains. Are there rules, or even laws, against using these for commercial purposes? Would I be wiser to stick to .com, .net, .info, etc?

    3. I purchased some domains relevant to my expertise, but some do involve organizational names (e.g. asmestandards.com, ieee80211.com, northfacereviews.com, burtonreviews.com). I don't plan to use the trademarked logos and I plan to incorporate a lot of related content on the page(s). Am I treading on risky ground? Should I not even go there?

    4. Related question: I own www.800pickups.com. This is the equivalent of UPS's toll-free phone number. Was this a mistake?

    Thanks for your patience and time.
    Omeriah

  5. #35
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    Re: Trademark questions

    Originally posted by omeriah
    Ok, I get it. Thanks. I assume you are tagging all your pages with relevant keyword metatags and that's how they are getting indexed? This may not be the right jargon.

    A few other questions that I think others may have as well, and then I'll leave you alone to make some $$...

    1. Can you recommend a good parking company? I read that SEDO does a lot, but they are best for European traffic. I read Afternic is best in the US. I plan to develop my own pages, but until then, I want to park.

    2. I purchased a handful of .org domains. Are there rules, or even laws, against using these for commercial purposes? Would I be wiser to stick to .com, .net, .info, etc?

    3. I purchased some domains relevant to my expertise, but some do involve organizational names (e.g. asmestandards.com, ieee80211.com, northfacereviews.com, burtonreviews.com). I don't plan to use the trademarked logos and I plan to incorporate a lot of related content on the page(s). Am I treading on risky ground? Should I not even go there?

    4. Related question: I own www.800pickups.com. This is the equivalent of UPS's toll-free phone number. Was this a mistake?

    Thanks for your patience and time.
    Omeriah
    Maybe someone else canstep in and help you with those questions

    I deal mostly at the development ..thats my bread and butter ...

  6. #36
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    Thank you! I am a raw newbie so please bear with me. Can you please elaborate on the following;

    "The reason is if you have a type-in domain that makes $5 a month parked ..you'd need 100 other domains just like it to make $500 a month because each domain only has one access point mydomain.com

    But what if you took mydomain.com built a website and simply built 100 pages on the website that reflect mydomain.com topic and could make $5 on each of those pages through the search engines (the search engines mostly wont rank parked pages , and when they do only the mydomain.com page )"

    thanks,

    cp

  7. #37
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    Originally posted by cherryp
    Thank you! I am a raw newbie so please bear with me. Can you please elaborate on the following;

    "The reason is if you have a type-in domain that makes $5 a month parked ..you'd need 100 other domains just like it to make $500 a month because each domain only has one access point mydomain.com

    But what if you took mydomain.com built a website and simply built 100 pages on the website that reflect mydomain.com topic and could make $5 on each of those pages through the search engines (the search engines mostly wont rank parked pages , and when they do only the mydomain.com page )"

    thanks,

    cp

    CP..

    Simply that 100 webpages that you get ranking on the search engines will do far better (bring in far more revenues) than simply parking a type-in domain -because the parked domain only has one access ... domain.com

    so if you have type-in domain parked and it's making $X amount ..then thats what it makes . But unpark that type-in domain and develop it instead adding 100 pages to it ..you then have a website with 100 access points .. 100 more possible avenues for revenues .

    Type-in domains only have the possiblity of X amount of traffic .. a developed domain is limited by traffic only by the size of the search market for your websites topic .

    The bottom line is you can either develop traffic or you can buy traffic by way of buying type-in domains .

  8. #38
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    Thanks for all the great info! This board is one of the most newb-friendly I have ever seen. I just wanted to reiterate Domainmaster's question.
    Originally posted by Domainmaster
    I have one queston that's probably a dumb one but I'll ask anyway. In the field of emerging technology there are a lot of terms that aren't being searched yet but in a few years may well be. Am I correct to assume that just because no one is searching for it yet, that they never will? I'm sure someone has come up with a program to find the most searched names now and already have registered the good ones. I know thousands of people are doing the same thing but there are also thousands of new ideas, products, buzzwords, that will be common in the future but unknown to most now. I don't imagine very many people were searching for ipods five years ago.
    I am also new to the business, but my strategy is pretty much the same as his. I assume since I am late to the party, my best shot is in recognizing search terms that will bring in traffic down the road. How prevalent is this strategy with some of the veterans? Also, I realize that the future is unpredicable, so how much would you focus on domains related to new terms live hvd (for instance)?

  9. #39
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    Thank you again bidawinner. Appreciate the time taken to answer my questions.

  10. #40
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    Excellent Post

    I'm a newbie and I quickly realized that there are no inherently valuable domain names available. So I took a page from real estate developers and decided to develop web sites on top of my domains. This post was a confirmation for me. Thanks.

    Originally posted by bidawinner
    Development

    Development - some find it easier to simply develop their domains this is the main path I have taken and many others are gravitating towards.

    The reason is if you have a type-in domain that makes $5 a month parked ..you'd need 100 other domains just like it to make $500 a month because each domain only has one access point mydomain.com

    But what if you took mydomain.com built a website and simply built 100 pages on the website that reflect mydomain.com topic and could make $5 on each of those pages through the search engines (the search engines mostly wont rank parked pages , and when they do only the mydomain.com page )

    The advertisors dont care where the traffic comes from as long as it is quality targetted traffic ..it's always the better targetted the more the advertisors will pay. You'll need to learn basic web devloppment as wellas basic SEO

  11. #41
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    What about length for a name to develop?
    It is so much easier to type short domain names.

    LongAndBoringDumbName.com vs
    Keyword.cc

    cc = country code domain nobody has heard of.

  12. #42
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    Originally posted by accentnepal
    What about length for a name to develop?
    It is so much easier to type short domain names.

    LongAndBoringDumbName.com vs
    Keyword.cc

    cc = country code domain nobody has heard of.
    LongAndBoringDumbName.com = Long, Boring, Dumb (doesn't sound at all appealing). I think you answered your own question, .

  13. #43
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    What about length for a name to develop?
    It is so much easier to type short domain names.

    LongAndBoringDumbName.com vs
    Keyword.cc
    It's a question framed to give the desired answer. Many things require several words and many characters to accurately describe them and there are many ways to create a usable (rather than valuable) combinations of keyword plus suffix/prefix that isn't too long and contrived.

    Also, when it comes to retention and referral - you have to consider that you are asking people to remember a tld rather than them use that which they would normally assume - so in effect you are adding extra characters onto the keyword and they have no correlation to the subject matter or the target audience in the case of .cc.

    I'd take a longer but familiar prefix/suffix in a familiar tld over an uncommon and meaningless tld (just to have the keyword to the left of the dot) every time. And so, it would seem, would commercial end users.
    When using google for counts - use double quotes for usage counts for multiword terms and set "match type" to "exact" for all search volume lookups. Click here for more info

  14. #44
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    Originally posted by safesys
    It's a question framed to give the desired answer.
    Guilty as charged. I know the conventional wisdom here is .com only.
    Also, when it comes to retention and referral - you have to consider that you are asking people to remember a tld rather than them use that which they would normally assume.
    I have been seeing 4 word dot coms in commercial use lately and I wonder where the limit is. Once the masses become aware that there is more than one extension then the "automatically assume .com" issue fades.
    - so in effect you are adding extra characters onto the keyword and they have no correlation to the subject matter or the target audience in the case of .cc.
    Not always. Some country codes have natural meaning unrelated to their origin - .TV is the most promoted example, but there are others. There are also hacks like blo.gs which may or may not be a good idea.
    I'd take a longer but familiar prefix/suffix in a familiar tld over an uncommon and meaningless tld (just to have the keyword to the left of the dot) every time. And so, it would seem, would commercial end users.
    For the present that is the trump - for resale in the current market .com is the only game in town.

    Elsewhere on this board is a discussion of blue.com which just sold for big money. Someone noted how that, and many other now highly valuable one word domains, could have been bought for a few dollars ten years ago.

    Somewhere in the wide world of domains there may be unregistered names that ten years from now will be worth, if not blue.com's numbers, then say a tenth of that. I certainly do not claim to know what those domains are, but I suspect that most of them are not .com
    Last edited by accentnepal; 2006-03-29 at 11:19 PM.

  15. #45
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    Hello Guys,

    I just ant to say that I am new to DomainState and I am looking to learn a lot I appreciate all that I have learned so far. I wanted to find out about setting a fair price for my domains? Thanks in advance.

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