Watch out for this -- doesnt pay fees

[LAChris]

I will even make an offer to a disinterested third-party to mediate this. I am wiling to work with someone who cant pay their fees - but, I wouldnt work for free.

[Chad]

This is comical.

I guess Hal was right when he said "Right now you are running a den of thieves."

[LAChris]

Well, maybe ...

But, I still like to believe that there are many professionals on here and I am confident that "Hal" is one of those professionals. My offer stands to meet in this Chat Room and have a neutral party mediate a settlement. This has already been made public, so what the heck -- then, we all can certainly feel that Hal is truly the sophisticated and seasoned professional that he truly is.

[reg]

I have nothing but respect for this great forum that is Domainstate. One of the reasons is, that I feel I am among friends. Chris seems to be putting forth claims that need our attention. I for one take very seriously any warnings about its members. After all, we may all one day end up doing business with each other, therefore it is very important that trust be in the forefront of our exchanges.
It goes beyond washing your dirty laundry in public... I want to know if certain people can be trusted or not, period.

Doing wrong to one is as doing wrong to all.

reg

[LAChris]

I agree reg - I do not post here as often as I would like (as I am not a *true* domainer - but I have some interesting properties and an interest in the field) however, trust is important among fellow professionals and their disciplines.

This is why (again) I am offering a chat room conversation between Hal and myself to have a settlement mediated. Although it was Hal who made public disclosure of our agreements, I feel it in abit unorthodox but I would like to get this settled by Monday night. My private arrangement with Hal is to settle this for $750 (instead of $3,320). I am very fair to my clients and I generally perform very hard to make them satisfied. Hal even took me out to a very nice dinner to appreciate his gratitude for my hard work.

I am very reasonable to work with clients who cannot afford or finalize their settlements - but, generally that involves me being able to find them in four years - and also to have them treat me with fairness in responding to my own needs for remuneration. If someone cant afford a settlement, than lets work out a payment deal - but arrogance is never appreciated and just creates further distrust and bad faith.

Again, I am certain that Hal will show himself to be the man of professionalism, wealth and fairness that he portrays himself to be and will make a wise decision based on this. But, as a professional myself, I will defend my own needs and those needs include my need to be paid as per an agreement and agreed upon terms.

[Joe]

Originally posted by LAChris
I will even make an offer to a disinterested third-party to mediate this. I am wiling to work with someone who cant pay their fees - but, I wouldnt work for free.

Someone who calls themselves "DaddyHalBucks" and runs around forums boasting how he now owns over 4000 domain names, certainly sounds to me like someone who can afford to pay someone else for work/services that have been provided.

I remember reading thread after thread after thread by Hal Meyer aka: DotComCowBoy, aka: DaddyHalBucks, who was whining for weeks or months how someone had ripped him off on a domain deal, and how Hal was demanding, threatening, and even making ultimatums to a certain someone else to make good on the deal. Well Mr. Self Proclaimed "DaddyHalBucks", you were not bashful in making your business our business then, so you should be a bit more attentive to someone else now calling you out on your wrongs. What goes around, certainly seems to come around. Hah!

p.s. Thanks for the warning LAChris!!

[zoot]

Hal...after all the grief you created for cjmacd, it turns out that you don't honor your agreements at all.

As a graphic artist my self and having dealt with people like you that pull this kinda crap .... you are the people that force us to have ask to be paid up front for jobs. Becasue we are made to feel we can't trust our clients that profit from our time and effort to pay us.

You are completely out of line...there is no justification whatsoever for your not paying him on time and to add insult to injury you have the nerve 4 years later to "be a nice guy" and offer him 25% of what YOU OWE him. AND on top of that you have this sticky elitest attitude that he insults you by wanting his money .... what nerve!

I hope every artist on this board reads this thread and is aware of your business practices. You don't deserve the time of day.

an aside: I think part of this stems from people thinking that the art we do is easy or not as valuable as other services. That a logo is not worth more than $25. It really translates to respect ... obviously Hal has no respect for someone that created the whole look of a site he profited from. I think he should do his own artwork from now on and see how easy it is.

Amazing people

[DaddyHalbucks]

snoopy wrote on 03-08-2004 12:21 AM:

everything he has said or posted is a result of you not paying money that you owe him, the guilty party is you. You seem to have offered to pay only a % of the money you owe him which is not much better than paying nothing.

The longer you claim you won't be paying him money the money you clearly owe him the further your reputation sinks into the mud.
+++++++++++++

For the purpose of discussion only, let's assume I am wrong; let's assume I owe Chris Curry everything he says.

Now...

It is NOT OK for Chris Curry to break laws in his quest for debt repayment.

Period.

End of story.

[DaddyHalbucks]

reg wrote:

Doing wrong to one is as doing wrong to all.
+++++++++++++++++++++++

Well put.

One can't break laws for debt repayment.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Chris Curry wrote:

I feel it in abit unorthodox...
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...and illegal

[DaddyHalbucks]

Chris Curry wrote and then re-edited:

I agree reg - I do not post here as often as I would like (as I am not a *true* domainer - but I have some interesting properties and an interest in the field) however, trust is important among fellow professionals and their disciplines.

This is why (again) I am offering a chat room conversation between Hal and myself to have a settlement mediated. Although it was Hal who made public disclosure of our agreements, I feel it in abit unorthodox but I would like to get this settled by Monday night. My private arrangement with Hal is to settle this for $750 (instead of $3,320). I am very fair to my clients and I generally perform very hard to make them satisfied. Hal even took me out to a very nice dinner to appreciate his gratitude for my hard work.

I am very reasonable to work with clients who cannot afford or finalize their settlements - but, generally that involves me being able to find them in four years - and also to have them treat me with fairness in responding to my own needs for remuneration. If someone cant afford a settlement, than lets work out a payment deal - but arrogance is never appreciated and just creates further distrust and bad faith.

Again, I am certain that Hal will show himself to be the man of professionalism, wealth and fairness that he portrays himself to be and will make a wise decision based on this. But, as a professional myself, I will defend my own needs and those needs include my need to be paid as per an agreement and agreed upon terms.


Last edited by LAChris on 03-07-2004 at 10:05 PM

[mole]

is this a Chinese laundromat or what? enough already! go continue in the lady's toilet peleezess

[snoopy]

Originally posted by DaddyHalbucks
snoopy wrote on 03-08-2004 12:21 AM:

everything he has said or posted is a result of you not paying money that you owe him, the guilty party is you. You seem to have offered to pay only a % of the money you owe him which is not much better than paying nothing.

The longer you claim you won't be paying him money the money you clearly owe him the further your reputation sinks into the mud.
+++++++++++++

For the purpose of discussion only, let's assume I am wrong; let's assume I owe Chris Curry everything he says.

Now...

It is NOT OK for Chris Curry to break laws in his quest for debt repayment.

Period.

End of story.

this sounds like nonsense as it would seem chris has not broken any laws, though I have no idea why you would pm me about this issue then start posting up my replies to your pm's.

[safesys]

DaddyHalbucks:
One can't break laws for debt repayment.

Funny, that seems to be exactly what you are doing seeing as its clear to anyone who looks that you received the service 4 years ago and used it ongoing.

"Offering" to pay 25% of the amount 4 years - and then reducing that to zero because he has posted the facts on a forum makes you look like an arrogant bully.

So, lets treat this like we did with cjmcd before:

Be professional and ethical - simply pay what you owe.

Alternatively, completely burn off your rep for the sake of $2k for a design everyone can see you received. No amount of posturing or fluff will cut through this reputation killer.

And you'll still owe the money.

[LAChris]

Im not certain where Ive broke any laws other than you coming on here and your whining about being "stalked" which I havent. This is ridiculous. Posting information that is public and on other websites doesnt appear to be breaking the law, but Ill be happy to ask my attorney (which I have several in my family). Actually there is much more "damning" information out there if you want to be honest - but, I havent posted any of that.

You owe a debt from an agreement you made; I performed work for you and you took advantage of me; you are demonstrating your ability to go against your word and break an agreement; you are showing to your own industry that you are untrustworthy - all in the name of $3,320 which I have fairly reduced to $750 just to get paid and put an end to this. I am certain that these are small amounts of money to you.

Now, I am certain that you will want to prove me wrong and show everyone here that you are a true professional and the wealthy domain broker that you say you are. We ALL hate paying our bills, but I am sure that most people on here will pay their bills when they recongized they are not paid or have been oversighted. Once your recongise you owe them - most of us pay them.

My offer to have this aired out or mediated still hasnt been taken - your offer to settle this is less than 24 hours.

I let "Hal" speak for himself and show his colours - man of integrity and responsibility or pure ego?