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  2. #17
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    Just got this from"Back End"

    I just received this email from "Back End"

    What is interesting is that a few hours prior to receiving this email I also received an email from a Dr. Lewis Brewer.....also with typing errors.....telling me that he will pay me 70% of appriased value. And repeatedly telling me to have an appriasal done at finalappraisal.com have them email report to him.

    I am wondering if the one from Brewer is also a scam???

    Hello,

    I'm contacting you regarding your domain name for sale.

    Did you get offers from other people?

    I need to know your desired price. Please don't ask to make an offer. Just email the desired price.

    I run a software company. We develop client-server systems and databases in Oracle for a local company. Buying and selling domain names is not my main business. Just another way to invest money and make additional income.

    I wish you and your family Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

    Best regards,
    Michael Kayat Ph.D.
    President
    Back End Software Engineering

    ****************************************************

  3. #18
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    looks like this "super domain deal maker" tried to get me as well. identical emails to what I see listed above
    from a *Dr. Michael Kayat. same pitch, same wasted effort on my end. at least I didn't spend any appraisal money. He was pitching allfordomains.com but first said alldomains.com as the best independent appraisors.

    (*changed his identity again, isn't there a law against misrepresentation of ones identity)

  4. #19
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    Did you also receive an email from Dr. Lewis Brewer as well?


    Here is the 2nd email that I just received from Kayat and "Back End"

    Can you provide me with independent valuation (appraisal)? I need such valuation for name priced in your range. I consider your name as an investment. In other words I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market value of your domain.

    Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging a reputable appraisal company. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. I will only accept appraisals from independent appraisal companies I know and trust.

    To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum

    http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/51037.htm

    Juck check this posting.

    If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly.

    After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

    How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or wire?

    Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

    Looking forward to your reply

  5. #20
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    I didn't get one from Dr Brewster, but who knows, this nonsense started yesterday. My second email was identical to yours. Same link to domaintalk, how do I prefer to get paid etc. he included a link to some negative publicity on an "afternic" someone he did not trust, and also pitched a domainmart as someone he " trusts" (at $200 an hour they should be)

  6. #21
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    also pitched a domainmart as someone he " trusts" (at $200 an hour they should be)
    thats part of their classic pitch - to include recognised but much higher priced companies to add credibility with the idea that you'll go for the lower cost choice.
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  7. #22
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    Maybe I should tell him I really want to get this right! so I elected to use domainmart for an hour. Wonder what kind of rebuttal I would get to that.

  8. #23
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    After all these years, perhaps we just need some decent AND useful appraisal services.
    SELLING: enrolment.net - and no, this is NOT a typo.

  9. #24
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    He's still doing it!

    Hello,

    I'm interested in your domain name. Hope you have not sold it yet.

    Did you get offers from other people?

    I need to know your desired price. Please don't ask to make an offer. Just email the desired price.

    I run a software company. We develop client-server systems and databases in Oracle for a local company. Buying and selling domain names is not my main business. Just another way to invest money and make additional income.

    I wish you and your family Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

    Best regards,
    Michael Kayat Ph.D.
    President
    Back End Software Engineering

    ============================================================================
    NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged
    information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
    viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by
    unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
    message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message
    and deleting it from your computer.

    ===========================================================================
    Was sent to me Jan 2, 2006 9:39 PM with this header:
    Received: from chen.mtu.ru (chen.mtu.ru [195.34.34.232])

    I literally read this thread today before I received this email. Just wanted to let everybody know whoever is doing this is still at it.

  10. #25
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    I have got the same email from Kayat today. Was doing research on domain appraisal and came across this. Thought I post it to infor everyone.

  11. #26
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    Andrew Kayat

    Andrew Kayat Ph.D.
    President
    Back End Software Engineering


    That's also one of his names, posting all of his identities makes it easier to find in a forum search.

  12. #27
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    New identity :

    Hello,

    Are you still interested in selling your domain name? I saw it listed for sale.

    Did you get offers from other people?

    I need to know your desired price. Please don't ask to make an offer. Just email the desired price.

    I run a software company. We develop client-server systems and databases in Oracle for a local company. Buying and selling domain names is not my main business. Just another way to invest money and make additional income.

    Best regards,
    Richard Measham, Ph.D.
    President
    Back Office Net Solutions

    ========================================

    Follow up Mail :

    xxxxx USD. Ok.

    Do you sell a developed site or domain only? I prefer domain names.

    Do you have an independent valuation from industry experts (appraisal)? I need an appraisal certificate for domain priced in your range. I consider your name as an investment. In other words I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market value of your domain.

    Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging a reputable appraisal company. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. I will only accept appraisals from independent appraisal companies I know and trust.

    To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum

    http://www.eccentrix.com/members/dom...e1/1239540.htm

    Juck check this posting.

    If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly.

    After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

    How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or wire?

    Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

    Looking forward to your reply.

  13. #28
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    Mine seems similar to the above posts. The e-mail read:

    > Hello,
    >
    > My name is James Keller and I have a client who is
    > interested in purchasing your
    > domain ________.com.
    >
    > We are currently working on a project and would like
    > to use this domain if at
    > all possible.
    >
    > If you are interested in selling your domain please
    > let me know as soon as
    > possible. If you could give me a price or ballpark
    > figure to take back to my
    > client that would be great as well.
    >
    > Thanks and Happy Holidays,
    >
    > James Keller
    > Keller Marketing

    It caught my eye, because I had seen this identical e-mail about a week prior to this one. Same content, just the domain changed out. After responding to have my e-mail address removed, he responded with:

    >Report me a**hole.
    >
    >Take the f***in for sale out if its not for sale. Have
    >some f***in common sense.
    >
    >Now leave me the f*** alone.

    Clearly he's not exactly the brightest bulb.

  14. #29
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    I have gotten him to reveal the address before I gave up with the nonsense.

    -------------------

    Kayat to me
    More options Jan 5 (6 days ago)

    Our small software company is based in Norway

    Norway
    P.B. 305
    7301 Orkanger

    We work as contractors of one bofg company and don't sell anything online.
    So we don't have a site.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: W Leong
    To: Kayat
    - Hide quoted text -
    Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:29 AM
    Subject: Re: WHYPAYBILLS.COM (sent 01/02/06)


    Alright, I can make one exception here. However, I need to establish your credential first before we negotiate further. Please provide the following:

    1. Your ebay user account

    2. Your company details. I am not able to look up Back End Software Engineering. As a software house I presume you have your own email and website.

    3. You office contact no where I can reach you.

    I hope you understand the need to establish this trust before I invest in the appraisal. Hope to hear from you soon.




    On 1/4/06, Kayat <kayat@bonbon.net> wrote:
    I need a proof (independent valuation) that your price is fair. I hope you
    understand the importance of this question.

    Domain sellers always provide buyers with certificates. This is a common
    practice.

    I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. So I
    cannot accept appraisal from each and every site. I will only accept
    appraisals from independent appraisal companies I know and trust.

    Reading responses from experienced sellers I was impressed by one reply:
    "Many Internet users are not smart enough and popular domain brokers are
    using this fact to make money. They offer them cheap appraisal services. But
    if their customers would have something in their heads they'd understand
    experts could not make a professional research for $15-$20. These appraisals
    are made by machines. Easy money for such appraisers as
    http://www.Afternic.com and several other major brokers that offer cheap
    auto-generated appraisals. In my eyes, all services under $50-$55 are not
    manual and the results are generated by special scripts. I don't trust
    auto-generated appraisals."

    The same is true for GoDaddy and SEDO. Their services are not manual. They
    are just collecting money using their well-known names.

    Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.

  15. #30
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    "Real name seems to be -- Sukin TySyn"

    This is pretty funny and I'm surprised that no one else has picked up on this yet but Sukin Sin is an extremely common insult in Russian. It means son of a bitch.

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