Firstly, this is not a discussion thread. If I had wished it so, I would've put it in another forum. But since you all have already exhibited your lack of professionalism, I have no choice but to refute on behalf of my buyer.

I have several hyphenated domain names with high traffic, and overture reflects the numbers fairly accurately.

One of those names is anime-wallpaper.com. It receives 50-75 visits a day, and these are the overture results:

833 anime wallpaper.com

Regardless of overture numbers, RAP-LYRICS.COM is an excellent name worthy of a much higher price on its own merit having quality keywords.

This discussion is over. The domain is sold. Please think next time you "crap" someone's sales thread. We're all adults here and don't need protection from the omnipotent forum police.

http://www.domainstate.com/showthrea...threadid=23923


The more active members, the better a community a forum becomes, as I understand it. Well you are one member short right now - I spend the least amount of time on this board than any others in our industry and now I know why. We would like our membership canceled at once as we will not be back after this post.


http://www.domainstate.com/showthrea...&pagenumber=13


One member more, one member less. Does it really matter?

I am very annoyed at what I feel is a very disturbing trend. As you can see from the specific quotes and links above, there has been some controversial statements, accusations, petty name-calling and outright character assasinations on this board recently. And in one case, taken to the extreme where a long-time contributor to this board simply got fed up and quit.

I'm not juding the subject matter per se, each of us has our own opinions on the topics presented and certainly the Moderators have as much right to thier opinions as anyone else.

What does concern me is the tone being taken by some of the Moderators here. In my opinion, public forums are not place for the personal attacks. This stinks. You (the Mods) and others were invited to discuss your thoughts in private (which in some cases would have been the courteous, professional way to advance your points), but decided that... "NO, I'm gonna air this baby right out there for all to see".

I would expect the Mods to lead by example and Moderate.

So where did all of your schoolyard antics get you?

One member less and, in my opinion, a damaged reputation.

The discussion about urlcollection was stupid - in that the real discussion was over whether uce is ok if you are a domainer or not but ended up being about whether uce is spam and was a nonsensical argument to have with fellow domainers (tm notifications? please...).

As for the sales thread, the comments made about overture and how it handles hyphens was entirely correct and relevant to the thread itself because the overture count was being used as a value add for the sale.

Moderation does not mean stroking people so they feel better - thats never been what we've been about here. The offer to take the discussion into pm made no sense since the facts being discussed were completely clear - albeit the argument itself wasn't moved along but that was due to uc's responses which frankly beggared belief imo.

If being honest is seen as a negative thing by fellow domainers theres something very very wrong somewhere.

We are not a commercial site, we have never tried to get members for the sake of getting members - we've been honest from the getgo and many people have substantially improved their income as a result of the site.

Originally posted by OnSpec
[B]What does concern me is the tone being taken by some of the Moderators here. In my opinion, public forums are not place for the personal attacks. This stinks. You (the Mods) and others were invited to discuss your thoughts in private (which in some cases would have been the courteous, professional way to advance your points), but decided that... "NO, I'm gonna air this baby right out there for all to see".

Some people take things seriously, some people don't. Some people look at rain and think the sky is falling. If you have any problems, walk, don't bother to moan like a grandma and bore the rest of the forum. I have done so myself. Because I have long realised that posting on forums (other than mine ) is a priviledge, not a right. Believe you me, nobody is going to miss you. Life will go on. Sad but that's daily business reality. Just give what you can, take what you can, and if you find it not worth the time anymore, go do something better like develop your sites instead of finding more names to cybersquat on .

Moderation does not mean stroking people so they feel better - thats never been what we've been about here.


I don't recall suggesting that people were looking for stroking, nor was I suggesting that one should feel better (or worse for that matter) when becoming engaged in issues on a public forum. You put up your post and deal with it as it develops.

That does not mean that name-calling and character assasinations are warranted.


If being honest is seen as a negative thing by fellow domainers theres something very very wrong somewhere.


Nothing wrong with honesty. However, there is also nothing wrong with Moderator Integrity either. As a matter of fact, it should form a major part of your foundation.


We are not a commercial site, we have never tried to get members for the sake of getting members - we've been honest from the getgo and many people have substantially improved their income as a result of their free membership here.


Your business model, commercial or otherwise, is nobody's business but your own and is not the topic of this thread.

And although you do not try to attract members for the sake of getting new members, members are your lifeblood. In your business, losing members = losing life.

No one was questioning your honesty. Ethics, Professionaism, Leadership, perhaps, but not your honesty. Again, this is not the thrust of this thread.

We needed no ghost to tell us that membership is free. We are members (those that are left), and already knew that.

Originally posted by mole
Some people take things seriously, some people don't. Some people look at rain and think the sky is falling. If you have any problems, walk, don't bother to moan like a grandma and bore the rest of the forum. I have done so myself. Because I have long realised that posting on forums (other than mine ) is a priviledge, not a right. Believe you me, nobody is going to miss you. Life will go on. Sad but that's daily business reality. Just give what you can, take what you can, and if you find it not worth the time anymore, go do something better like develop your sites instead of finding more names to cybersquat on .

Thank you for that valuable contribution Mr. Mole. Insightful as ever.

Originally posted by OnSpec
No one was questioning your honesty. Ethics, Professionaism, Leadership, perhaps, but not your honesty. Again, this is not the thrust of this thread.

Get off it, spec. What bit you today, one of Blade's vampires or Pool.com?

New avatar = new antagonist attitude mole?

You missed my point, that was that the forum being free/non commercial means we have no agenda regarding member retention for financial reasons.

You talk about character assassination, but look back at the thread. Bulk commercial unsolicited automated mail was being sent by the company of one member - and received by other members who considered it spam. The responses in defense to that post were that this somehow isn't spam if its by a fellow domainer.

The argument never really moved on from that. due mainly imo to uc's own responses about the source being purged whois data and them being trademark notifications and not sales solicitations. If the blindingly obvious had been accepted at the outset - that being bulk unsolicited commercial email is spam by definition - then perhaps it wouldn't have spiralled and concentrated on the area it did do. As an aside, there have been several discussions on this subject in chat - and its clear that the forum thread did not do justice to the subject matter at all because it was not allowed to move past that stage.

The sales post, had the overture count in the subject line making it clear that this was a big portion of where the seller wished for the value to be perceived. Whilst I don't particularly like seeing anything posted in sales threads - that certainly did warrant clarification.

How would you suggest it be handled differently?

Originally posted by OnSpec
Nothing wrong with honesty. However, there is also nothing wrong with Moderator Integrity either. As a matter of fact, it should form a major part of your foundation.

I'll be a big boy and stand up in public and ask you to explain just what is the matter with my integrity, that you seem to feel I ( as a moderator ) lack. Feel free to be brutally honest.

No one was questioning your honesty. Ethics, Professionaism, Leadership, perhaps, but not your honesty. Again, this is not the thrust of this thread.

While you are at it you may as well point out why you feel I have no ethics, professionalism or leadership. Once again be brutal.

If any one else feels the same as OnSpec, go for your life, whip away.

Originally posted by mr webname
New avatar = new antagonist attitude mole?

Yup, always have been, always will be I'm training to be a criminal lawyer.

Lawyers are bad but criminal lawyers are badder!

People forget that occasionaly Mods while replying to threads are acting in their " plain all member" capacity ...
speaking their mind and as humans are not always right.
Even guru "Safesys" can be wrong...
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We are dealing with a multitude of personalities, points of view, backgrounds, ethnicities etc etc...
Tolerance, restrain and respect
will go a long ways !
I do agree that lately and sadly some threads have gotten out of hand.. and insults have been exchanged, it's sad to see old member/friends engage in that behavior..
You can't expect the Mods to babysitt us...and at the same time be accountable when a "sheep goes astray"
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Also I feel that the appraisal board has become ridiculous... to the point that people are afraid of posting a name...
Zeros fly left and right on good premium names!
eg; recently a name making 100 USD per year got 2 "zeros "...
My only suggestion is for people posting names to put a lot of info.....google, ovt, links ,alexa, ppc revenues etc etc...
It might be a good idea that only the appraisal board should be allowed to appraise... (I am not in the board)

Tying your emotions (or ego) to business is a disaster waiting to happen. Look at the people emotionally destroyed by the stock market roller coaster ride - this isn't much different.

If your emotions are severely affected by the dollar amount of an offer or appraisal, step away from the computer. Go outside. Think about your priorities in life. Think about the physical cost of being angry or unhappy. Think about how unimportant your domain name is in the big scheme of life. Consider how you've given the power to control your emotions over to a silly message board full of cartoon avatars. If needed, get professional help. Pitch my domain sane.info to your therapist, 20% finders fee if you make the sale.

OK, maybe that last sentence should be striken

Really people... get a grip.

Originally posted by JuniperPark .....Consider how you've given the power to control your emotions over to a silly message board full of cartoon avatars...... [/B]

I am sure this view will be very unpopular with many here, especially the 'regulars'. Agree, the cartoon avatars sure make the forum boards appear to be unbusinesslike and childish, a reason I do not personally use avatars on any of the 4 main boards.

Cartoon Avatar nonsense could even be a reason so few legitimate (non-domainer) businessmen frequent the forums. If you were the marketing manager of a mid-size or large corporation looking to buy domains, would you take a place seriously when the first thing you see when looking at the site are Cartoons depiting the impression the member wants to convey about themselves to others. The Avatars are B.S. nonsense

Originally posted by RealNames
childish

babyish