Wow... sorry I didn't see this thread until now. I thought would just be about how much Raven.com is 'really worth'.

Jason: So your 'defense' here is that you're just too dumb and rich to bother looking up the history of domains you buy?

Jay @ Sedo: VERY dissapointed in your position and actions here. You've now had TWO lawyers tell you point blank you have no legal basis to help out the thieves by hiding their identities, yet you continue to cling to the false claim you have a 'binding contract' with the owner???

NameDrive recently brokered the sale of and domain stolen from me between what appears to be a non-existant company to another apparently non-existant company, and when I brought this to their attention they simply didn't care. (I these are 'allegations' because I'm not spending the $xx,xxx needed to formally prove this and file criminal charges against NameDrive.) Nor do they care that this hurts their own reputation, as well as that of the industry.

I'm glad to see that a lot of people are willing to call out the bad behavior of Sedo in this case, and Namedrive in the other case to stop tolerating fraud, and stop protecting criminals.

Originally posted by Raider
Judging from everything I read, "Jason" is the Hijacker, Seller AND Buyer of Raven.com, and Sedo was merely used as a way to launder the domain in case he got caught, and now that the heat is on, he makes yet another shrewd move to payoff the original owner, something I'm sure he regrets not doing in the first place.

If Sedo as an intermediar has payed the "Seller", Sedo knows bank accounts of people who commited crimes, and should go to police or whatever agency to file this case.



Peter

Here here..


Same diligence should be done with ALL reported sales...

Originally posted by Mokum
If Sedo as an intermediar has payed the "Seller", Sedo knows bank accounts of people who commited crimes, and should go to police or whatever agency to file this case.



Peter

What police ? which agency ?

There is little to no legal recourse in the recovery of stolen domain names ... this is especially so if the offence crosses / involves National Country borders ...

Iran ... forget it ...

If the names comes back to the United States there might be a slim chance of doing something about it ...

As things currently stand with stolen domain names the domainers community and consciences / co-operating registries are the best police to effectively regain ownership of stolen domain names .. plus the help of the few experts who are on boards like this one who can wield some infulence with innocent known buyers and sellers

They can block bids/accounts from high fraud countries like Iran, just as PayPal does.

Sedo is in Germany and claims to now verify all buyers, so there is not a big issue for stopping fraud in other countries.

its a good "step" but.... consider...
http://www.r***.org or another proxy service

existing information from z******* or another ID service.

and /or any valid address...

and you can be from any country you want...

That's not even the more sophisticated methods that

CRIMINALS use!

Originally posted by JuniperPark
They can block bids/accounts from high fraud countries like Iran, just as PayPal does.

Sedo is in Germany and claims to now verify all buyers, so there is not a big issue for stopping fraud in other countries.

Originally posted by JuniperPark
They can block bids/accounts from high fraud countries like Iran, just as PayPal does.

Sedo is in Germany and claims to now verify all buyers, so there is not a big issue for stopping fraud in other countries.

I am not sure what Countries have an embargo on Iran certainly the USA has .. European .. EU .. Countries .. Germany .. i dont know ..

Denmark certainly hasn't as some of the recent money transactions frauds have been conducted through money forwarding services based in Denmark ...

*** Originally posted by Snoopy ***

Yes, from what I have seen they use Rialex, (an anonymous money service for sending money to Iran that use Denmark wire details) or Sedo. I'm guessing payment from Sedo is ending up going through Rialex anyway (though as we have seen Sedo aren't interested in disclosing where and who is receiving payment).

I haven't heard of a stolen name going through any other broker in a long time, the others look to be on top of the situation.

Sedo is in Germany and claims to now verify all buyers

Well of course one would want to verify the buyers, since that's where the money comes from.

John, what is the outcome of this? Have you spoken with the widow?

Originally posted by snoopy
I would bet it was done via social engineering

Sahar Sarid has a worrying and important post about how cheap it is to hijack a domain name by hacking an e-mail account password:

http://www.conceptualist.com/?p=423

Originally posted by fizz
Sahar Sarid has a worrying and important post about how cheap it is to hijack a domain name by hacking an e-mail account password:

http://www.conceptualist.com/?p=423

It's an interesting claim they have. Might be worth it to put then to the test by creating an account and chipping in to see if they can really get in.

If the password is reasonably random I bet they can't get in.

Raven.com for sale on eBay for 1.1 Million...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Raven-com-Once-i...QQcmdZViewItem

Yeah, that'll fly.

Quoth the buzzard.

I get disappointed every time I see that name.