.MOBI's success or failure isn't going to depend on what Rick Schwartz and Frank Schilling say, it's going to depend on what Madison Avenue says.

Exactly - and they aren't falling over themselves to pay a premium are they?

And the usual retort here is that sales aren't reported but even if that were true then it would mean those in the know would be buying up these low reserve domains knowing they can flip for big money.

It's borderline delusional to keep looking at the continuing drop in .mobi wholesale prices and write it off as irrelevant because some corporates are running their mobile content from .mobi sites they got for reg fee.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by safesys
[B]Exactly - and they aren't falling over themselves to pay a premium are they?

No, they're not. But if they make the extension important to their competitors, those competitors will pay a premium. You don't consider going through the Sunrise Period process "paying a premium", because you only think "paying a premium" means paying you megabucks so you can retire easily speculating on domains. I agree they got their names cheap, but they're taking-on the expense and work necessary to make an extension important. Making an extension important will drive up prices, and making the extension important is the only way to get end-users involved on any significant scale.

They're not "falling over themselves to pay a premium" now, but thanks to Hilton, Purina, et al, others will have to do just that a little later down the road. Any domainer with a clear view of TLD history should see that. .INFO has never had corporate use to any significant scale. You can't tell me that the use of .mobi by the Hilton, Sheraton, Marriott, ESPN, DHL, Nordstrom www.nordstrom.mobi , various airline companies and others means that .mobi is no more significant than what's going on in .info. If you are telling me that, then you are also full of bs.

"It's borderline delusional to keep looking at the continuing drop in .mobi wholesale prices and write it off as irrelevant because some corporates are running their mobile content from .mobi sites they got for reg fee."

There's a drop in "wholesale" prices because domainers are cutting back on domain purchases, not because end-users are cutting back on domain purchases. That's why I think the drop in "wholesale" prices is irrelevant, because I'm one of those individuals who believes end-users will make me rich, not "snoopy", Domainsapien, etc. Not that I think your $ is any less green, but you guys want too large a discount compared to end-users.

You don't consider going through the Sunrise Period process "paying a premium", because you only think "paying a premium" means paying you megabucks so you can retire easily speculating on domains.

Not true - end users paying a premium in the aftermarket is a mindset thing. Just because companies can afford to pay a premium doesn't mean they actually will vs just using an alternative - the purchase decisions are still made by human beings.

but thanks to Hilton, Purina, et al, others will have to do just that a little later down the road.

A whole heap of the worlds largest corporates backed wap and look how that worked out for them.

And what about the companies using subdomains or redirecting to mobile content using their regular .com url? The really big hitters in terms of audience - the myspaces, facebooks and yahoos of this world?

There's a drop in "wholesale" prices because domainers are cutting back on domain purchases, not because end-users are cutting back on domain purchases. That's why I think the drop in "wholesale" prices is irrelevant.

That would mean either previous .mobi prices were far too high in relation to end user pricing/demand or else domainers who have been making money from .mobi have decided not to continue to invest in the domain that they are making money from at anything like the same rate. Neither sounds promising.

Originally posted by JetSource
There's a drop in "wholesale" prices because domainers are cutting back on domain purchases, not because end-users are cutting back on domain purchases. That's why I think the drop in "wholesale" prices is irrelevant, because I'm one of those individuals who believes end-users will make me rich, not "snoopy", Domainsapien, etc. Not that I think your $ is any less green, but you guys want too large a discount compared to end-users.

There never was much of an an enduser market for .mobi anyway, the .mobi rise was almost entirely driven by domain speculators after the flowers.mobi auction, so it isn't saying much to suggest enduser demand hasn't changed.

Originally posted by snoopy
There never was much of an an enduser market for .mobi anyway, the .mobi rise was almost entirely driven by domain speculators after the flowers.mobi auction, so it isn't saying much to suggest enduser demand hasn't changed.

Of course there never was much of and enduser market for .mobi, in terms of endusers clamouring for their trademarks or generics in .mobi. After only 24 months, I would expect anemic enduser activity. The evidence shows enduser activity increasing, not decreasing, and the endusers are of the important ilk.

Originally posted by JetSource
Of course there never was much of and enduser market for .mobi, in terms of endusers clamouring for their trademarks or generics in .mobi. After only 24 months, I would expect anemic enduser activity. The evidence shows enduser activity increasing, not decreasing, and the endusers are of the important ilk.

Hard for usage not to increase though really, same would be true for any new tld. The key point for domainers though is prices went way too high and are now falling by a very large degree. The best strategy was to sell last year.

I still really have no idea what the point of this tld is, why it needs to exist and why anyone would use it long term over a m. subdomain or an autodetection script.

Originally posted by Domo Sapiens
More importantly I think that list has many names much much better than flowers.

In that sense I feel .mobi continues it's free fall to it's final resting place .info-land.

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Overall I was expecting much lower sales for many reasons: 1) other auctions latest results 2) Pizza-Gate 3) Pre-summer doldrums 4) the U.S Economy 5) The lack of direction on the Yahoo-MSFT deal (apparently plan B also failed) etc etc

.mobi you are limiting yourself to mobile websites, whereas .info can mean both. www.mywebsite.info or m.mywebsite.info.

Originally posted by touchring
.mobi you are limiting yourself to mobile websites, whereas .info can mean both. www.mywebsite.info or m.mywebsite.info.

All of .info was purged from Google a couple of days ago, for a brief period:

http://www.seobook.com/google-tempor...o-domain-names

Excluding .info owners, I doubt that anyone else noticed.

Originally posted by GeorgeK
All of .info was purged from Google a couple of days ago, for a brief period:

http://www.seobook.com/google-tempor...o-domain-names

Nope... It was/is more complex than that

"I still really have no idea what the point of this tld is, why it needs to exist and why anyone would use it long term over a m. subdomain or an autodetection script." [/B][/QUOTE]


The point is to make greater profits for the backers of .mobi, and gain some control over the marketing/sales/advertising involved with small-screen devices. If they succeed, the extension becomes important, unlike .info.

.mobi has come much farther in 2 years than .info has in 7 years, measured by the quality and quantity of end-users other than ppc parkers, spammers, etc.

Its a major Holiday weekend in America
I think it should of been the week before or next week

The point is to make greater profits for the backers of .mobi, and gain some control over the marketing/sales/advertising involved with small-screen devices. If they succeed, the extension becomes important, unlike .info.

.mobi has come much farther in 2 years than .info has in 7 years, measured by the quality and quantity of end-users other than ppc parkers, spammers, etc.

I'd love to see the data you are refering to. As far as I can tell .INFO registration numbers, and continued negative domainer comments, are far too great to beleive that a LOT of development is NOT being done using .INFO domains.

And if dvelopment is not occuring in .INFO then I must conclude domainers actions are not consistant with ther comments becuase it would take a LOT of spectulative regs to get you to todays registration level:

http://www.registrarstats.com/Public...ileSurvey.aspx

ORG 6,810,973
INFO 5,016,545
BIZ 1,971,843
US 1,377,128

MOBI 909,671

And .MOBI numbers, from the very beginning, has not kept up to .INFO (relative the "registry age").

I'm just happy .INFO has progress enough to be the standard that all other new TLDs get compared to.

Originally posted by ILikeInfo
I'd love to see the data you are refering to. As far as I can tell .INFO registration numbers, and continued negative domainer comments, are far too great to beleive that a LOT of development is NOT being done using .INFO domains.

And if dvelopment is not occuring in .INFO then I must conclude domainers actions are not consistant with ther comments becuase it would take a LOT of spectulative regs to get you to todays registration level:

http://www.registrarstats.com/Public...ileSurvey.aspx

ORG 6,810,973
INFO 5,016,545
BIZ 1,971,843
US 1,377,128

MOBI 909,671

And .MOBI numbers, from the very beginning, has not kept up to .INFO (relative the "registry age").

I'm just happy .INFO has progress enough to be the standard that all other new TLDs get compared to.

Yeah, sure, whatever you say.

These two charts help visualise the relative size of the newer gTLDs including .info and .mobi

New gTLD & domainer ccTLD pages indexed by Google January 2008
http://www.chart.info/namespace/images/stats19-1.gif

New gTLD pages indexed by Google January 2008
http://www.chart.info/namespace/images/stats19-2.gif