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  1. #1
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    Seltzer blows whistle on 'domain tasting' rat but serious questions remain

    http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=3349

    http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1991367,00.asp

    I have experienced checking an obscure name and when I go back it is gone. I have not run into these guys, but rather Kenyatech. Now, if I check it and think I want it, then I get it. There is a leak in the system somehwere.
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    I just did a query on:

    chestertondomaintheft.com

    using the Cnet whois service they are allegedly monitoring. Let's see what happens!
    Last edited by JuniperPark; 07-20-2006 at 01:17 AM.
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    very interesting thanks nd

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    What about checking a bunch of names that definitely suck. Posting them all here or somewhere else having several unique visits and 1-2 clicks( I know that is not really fair to the advertisers) and then letting the tasters formula keep a hundred worthless domains (they would lose about $1,000 minus the limited revenue from the fake clicks). We could keep doing this until the tasters caught on.

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    Originally posted by JuniperPark
    I just did a query on:

    chestertondomaintheft.com

    using the Cnet whois service they are allegedly monitoring. Let's see what happens!
    Do you need to use the specific whois service? Doesn't the lookup request get distributed around all the registrars for .com's?

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    Glad to see this being exposed anyway. In the past when people complained of this, others acted like they were nuts and explained it was nothing more than a coincidence.

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    Originally posted by domain
    Glad to see this being exposed anyway. In the past when people complained of this, others acted like they were nuts and explained it was nothing more than a coincidence.
    Because it sometimes is coincidence. But that doesn't mean it's
    that way all the time.

    Interesting digging Seltzer made on Chesteron Holdings...
    Last edited by Dave Zan; 07-20-2006 at 02:12 PM.
    Vidi, Vici, Veni!

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    Funny, a name I did a search for at a major registrar was registered on the 19th by him. Seems he has access to more than just the Cnet whois.

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    Originally posted by domain
    Funny, a name I did a search for at a major registrar was registered on the 19th by him. Seems he has access to more than just the Cnet whois.
    You mean Seltzer regged the name? Maybe you 2 really thought
    about the name, but he got it.
    Vidi, Vici, Veni!

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    Originally posted by domain
    In the past when people complained of this, others acted like they were nuts and explained it was nothing more than a coincidence.
    isn't that still the case?
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    They are still nuts?

    Originally posted by snoopy
    isn't that still the case?

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    Originally posted by JuniperPark
    I just did a query on:

    chestertondomaintheft.com

    using the Cnet whois service they are allegedly monitoring. Let's see what happens!
    Whois Server Version 1.3

    Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
    with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
    for detailed information.

    Domain Name: CHESTERTONDOMAINTHEFT.COM
    Registrar: NAMEKING.COM, INC.
    Whois Server: whois.nameking.com
    Referral URL: http://www.nameking.com
    Name Server: NS1.CHESTERTONHOLDINGS.COM
    Name Server: NS11.CHESTERTONHOLDINGS.COM
    Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
    Updated Date: 22-jul-2006
    Creation Date: 22-jul-2006
    Expiration Date: 22-jul-2007


    >>> Last update of whois database: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:00:25 EDT <<<
    Busted

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    OMG!
    Originally posted by 888
    Busted

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    Given how convinced I am this happens to me in landrushes I'm not surprised this happened.

    In fact I'm glad we now have the proof.

    So now I suggest you all think long and hard when you place landrush orders *ESPECIALLY* when you are charged LR fees ... You have even less auditing ability in Landrushes ...
    Last edited by ILikeInfo; 07-22-2006 at 01:53 PM.

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    To further strenthen the thread for future reference, a web site image is attached.

    So tell me folks, is it wrong for me to want to dump a few million whois queries into their system? Grrrrrr....

    Code:
    Domain:   chestertondomaintheft.com
     Reg:      NAMEKING.COM, INC.
     Status:   REGISTRAR-LOCK
     DNServer: ns1.chestertonholdings.com
     DNServer: ns11.chestertonholdings.com
     Created:  2006/07/22
     Updated:
     Expires:  2007/07/22
     --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     Domain Name: CHESTERTONDOMAINTHEFT.COM
     Registrar: NAMEKING.COM, INC.
     Whois Server: whois.nameking.com
     Referral URL: http://www.nameking.com
     Name Server: NS1.CHESTERTONHOLDINGS.COM
     Name Server: NS11.CHESTERTONHOLDINGS.COM
     Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
     Updated Date: 22-jul-2006
     Creation Date: 22-jul-2006
     Expiration Date: 22-jul-2007
     
     --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     
     Domain Name:                 chestertondomaintheft.com
     
     Registrant
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Name:                        admin -
     Organization:                Chesterton Holdings
     Email:                       admin@chestertonholdings.com
     Address:                     655 Flower St
                                  #254
     City, Province, Post Code:   Los Angeles, CA, 90017
     Country:                     US
     Phone:                       213-407-1774
     
     Admin Contact
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Name:                        admin -
     Organization:                Chesterton Holdings
     Email:                       admin@chestertonholdings.com
     Address:                     655 Flower St
                                  #254
     City, Province, Post Code:   Los Angeles, CA, 90017
     Country:                     US
     Phone:                       213-407-1774
     
     Billing Contact
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Name:                        admin -
     Organization:                Chesterton Holdings
     Email:                       admin@chestertonholdings.com
     Address:                     655 Flower St
                                  #254
     City, Province, Post Code:   Los Angeles, CA, 90017
     Country:                     US
     Phone:                       213-407-1774
     
     Tech Contact
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Name:                        admin -
     Organization:                Chesterton Holdings
     Email:                       admin@chestertonholdings.com
     Address:                     655 Flower St
                                  #254
     City, Province, Post Code:   Los Angeles, CA, 90017
     Country:                     US
     Phone:                       213-407-1774
     
     Creation Date:               07/22/06
     Expiration Date:             07/22/07
     Domain Status:               ACTIVE
     
     Domain Servers
         ns1.chestertonholdings.com
         ns11.chestertonholdings.com
     
     Registration Provided By:    NAME KING INC.
     Contact:                     info@nameking.com
     Abuse Desk Email Address:    abuse@nameking.com
     
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