Weird thread.

If you cant make money in this biz maybe its time to move on?

I have left many businesses because I couldnt make any money in them.

Wit all respect that statement could not be less clear if it were mud.

That statement is analagous to saying that the key to winning the race is to run FAST

What is FAST?

What is a GOOD Domain name?

The conversation here is drifting away from the initial intention for the thread

#1 THE BUSINESS as it must be described and is subscribed to by members of this and other boards is to Pay a pittance for a name that is rightfully and truthfully worth much more than the lunch money being offered yet some poor (keyword) sap is willing to sell the fruits of their labor for.

For anyone that puts "I know that business" in their post there is not one ghost of a chance in Hell that the buyer will pay anything that remotely resembles a fair value in return for any name that they may be seeking.

In fact anyone that posts such nonsense is probably sending a red flag that they couldn't pay more than $10 for business.com if it were readily available.

So can we please clarify that for every 1 person who is capable or willing to spend more than $100 for a name on these boards there are 999 others who couldn't afford a Free lunch and are too lazy to get off their arse and go find and register a name themselves.

As I said before it doesn't have to be "The Business" it just is "The business". And "The Business" will change and improve when sellers stop hoaring themselves and legitimate buyers start surfing and becoming active in these threads.

Scott

#1 THE BUSINESS as it must be described and is subscribed to by members of this and other boards is to Pay a pittance for a name that is rightfully and truthfully worth much more than the lunch money being offered yet some poor (keyword) sap is willing to sell the fruits of their labor for.

If the name is truly "worth more" than the offer, go out and sell it yourself for that value - if you can't/won't - then don't blame other people.

your idea of a "legitimate" buyer is someone who agrees with your valuations - I have the feeling your valuation is closer to end user than reseller, but end users don't spend time on domain boards - they're busy running their businesses and they only look at domains they specifcally want.

My beef is with pretenders who couldn't afford a free lunch professing to be truly interested in BUYING (not stealing) a domain name.

Are you one of them?

There is very few buyers here and many pretenders

Buyers I can help

Pretenders are a waste of serious domain name business peoples time.

For the last time it is very easy

Make 2 thrreads

1) Couldn't afford a free lunch but hoping some fool will give me business.com anyways

2) Legitimate buyer who understands that

a) You got something I want
b) You were agressive ambitious and smart enough to get it first
c) You spent time effort and money to retain it
d) I have a use or a buyer that would warrant me spending more than lunch money for it
e) I have more than lunch money to spend
f) I wish to have it and feel that a your price is a WIN-WIN for both parties


You know as much as the rest (but I suspect that nobody has the balls to admit it)

This has become a thread for mental masturbation where womeone is saying that sellers names that are of no value but are buying them anyways for $2 - 10 and oh excuse me occasionally $15 Whew what a stretch


Here is the truth and if it hurts - so be it ...

FindaSeminar.com wouldn't get a second look from the "Buyers" (pretenders really IMO) on this board for anything over as you would say REg fee. Ami I correct? Absolutely I am and you know it.

For the record FAS will produce over $4,000 income in just it's third month of operation as a paid service.

Would a $4000 monthly income justify a $100 expense? a $2 expense? Reg fee? Get real not evey name sucks and not many people who profess to be buyers really are.


I've got some (not all) great names and when the buyers vision improves on these boards I will part with them not until since the value unlike opinions speaks for itself.

a) You got something I want
b) You were agressive ambitious and smart enough to get it first
c) You spent time effort and money to retain it
d) I have a use or a buyer that would warrant me spending more than lunch money for it
e) I have more than lunch money to spend
f) I wish to have it and feel that a your price is a WIN-WIN for both parties

that sounds like you only want people to come along and stroke your ego with how great you are - this is the real world, it doesn't work like that.

with regards to findaseminar you seem to misunderstand the concept of inherent value vs developed or added value.

Wow. Just noticed this thread.

namesdencom, the best thing you can do is start suggesting realistic ways that "conditions" in the "Domains Wanted" section can change. Would additional rules affect anything for the better?

FACT: Most domainers are CHEAP, and if you are looking for the best price, using as many quality and differentiated outlets as possible in connecting with a good buyer increases the odds of finding one.

FACT: Most people think their names are worth much more than they are. If your name IS worth something, prepare for the parade of cheap offers.

You can either get mad at reality (an exercise in futility), or craft a new one (like dreaming up a new reseller environment). To rant on and on about how wrong people are for being people, doesn't sound like it helps anything (people will always be people). Some may sympathize with you, but eventually every politician has to move from creating sympathizers to proposing solutions. Currently this forum is just one multi-faceted "solution" for resellers, and no solution will ever be perfect for everyone.

~ Nexus

Hello!

I just noticed this thread and I feel the need to chime in with little or no clue what is in the thread since I didn't bother to take the time to read the thread (sound a little like the lunch money limited "Domain name Wanted" buyers on this and other boards. People who don't want to get off their arse and take the time to search and find their own domain names but instead would rather steal them from sellers who are willing to do alot of work then come to a Domain name wanted board where they think that there are actual buyers only to find out that the actual Buyers are people looking for a free (or damn near) free ride on a good name.

If you do take the time to actually read the thread you will see that on 10 or more occassions I have provided the fix to a very simple problem that would make this and other DN threads tremendously more appealing and productive.

Seperate the pretenders from the actual buyers by creating 2 threads

1) Resellers to lazy to get off their arse to go find and register their own name or with little money and looking for a steal or wanting to buy a name for lunch money that they either plan to turn into gold or on the other end of the spectrum one that they don't really have a serious plan for.

2)Actucal buyers with a purpose and a capability and willingness to buy a legitimate name for a legitimate purpose for which they are hoping to build a business on or perhaps that they have a buyer for.

What is the issue with appeasing both parties and saving everyone time and effort? Unless of course there really is nobody on these boards with more than lunch money or a clue about the relationship between cost and value or the capitalist system. In which case keep on keeping on with business as usual the way the Domain name wanted board is curently being used will work just fine.

Scott

Ok, namesdencom. I'll ignore this thread from here out so you can make progress on your point without me adding useless points that mean nothing and exemplify the disregard some people have for the deeper meaning in what you're saying.

Later,
~ Nexus

Let me ask a simple question. the domains you want to sell - are you looking to sell them for what you paid for them or are you inflating the price based on your peception of the value you added by simply registering them?

I am looking to increase the value of this fine board and service to the domain name industry of which I eagerly and heartily embrace and participate in by raising a red flag about a situation that IMO is precluding the site from growing to serve an even larger community.

To do so would be relatively easy

1) Create two threads under the Domain name wanted section

A) Resellers seeking names

B) End users seeking names

It should go without saying that resellers expect to pay less and sellers will realize this and should expect a reduced rate for any names that they wish to offer for sale to posters on the thread

On the other hand it should also go without saying that a buyer who posts a domain name wanted ad in the End user seeking names section should realize that inherent in their post is a desire to actively (not passively) own and or use the name for personal gain. As such they should expect to pay more for the name (up to a limit that they have established and can live with but certainly higher than resellers would offer)

Unless of course the faceless near do wells enjoy chiding legitimate sellers for posting names at a price that they honeslty feel (maybe from appraisals, maybe from search ranking or page hits etc) that there name is worth

Now, If the readers and members of this and other boards like being able to send verbal taunts to unsepsecting sellers from behind the shroud of the internet veil. If in fact that is what the purpose of the board is is to provide the faceless their sentence in the sun then keep up the great work your service is right on target.


Finally, You as a company (as do I in my many companies) have to decide what market you serve and how to best serve the majority in that market.

I just wish that I could have been spared the waste of time thinking that buyers who post Domain name wanted ads in your Domains Wanted section really were in fact buyers and not resellers.

Then again there is one way to find out how many reseller price buyers and how many fair market end user value buyers there are on these boards

The next step is yours.

Thanks to all for the opportunity to raise what I hope will be a question that will receive continued debate (without any more input from me)

Scott

End users generally don't frequent domain boards - period. There will generally be only one or two domains they will be interested in, so there is no benefit to them spending time on a site like this.

If they want the name, they will contact you via the whois or the web page. Alternatively, you can contact them directly and inform them of its availability.

The bottom line is that if you need to push sell your domains, you need to put the effort in and market them so that the buyers will see them. That means more than listing on a domain site and thinking you can sit back and wait for your bank balance to swell.

Thats why I said just registering a domain does not create the value - its finding the buyer that counts.

Originally posted by safesys
Thats why I said just registering a domain does not create the value - its finding the buyer that counts.

True in most businesses. People rarely if ever seek you out, that's why GOD invented salepeople (and marketers) .... Or was it the Devil?