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  1. #16
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    Originally posted by GeorgeK
    Slashdot editors rejected it, grrrr.
    I've said it before and I'll say it again, the power this group has by way of replacing it's PPC sites with a single page for just one day is *FAR* greater than any other venue. And if it's done I think it's a safe bet the media WILL pick up the story.

    But I again suggest that just putting up a "bitching" page would do more damage than good, thus I'd suggested other options be presented in the text Perhaps accepting increased prices but not the teirs.

    Of course trying to do this at the last second will require a bit of a mericle to actually get it right.

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    what do you folks think of this? funny? risky? useful?

    (note: This is a parody. It is made up. At least in this context!)

    USPTO Seeks Market-Based Pricing for Patents and Trademarks

    After decades of uniform pricing for patents and trademarks, the Patent and Trademark Office has proposed new contractual language that will open the door for market-based “differential” pricing for its services.

    “We work hard. We do our best within our budget,” said Cy Phonoff, the new Director of Market-Based Monopolist Pricing, “…but we never realized that we were leaving so much money ‘on the table’ until we read over the proposed ICANN contract for the .INFO, .BIZ, and .ORG tlds. Patents and trademarks are worth a lot more to the companies that apply for them than we charge to review them. That is a lost revenue opportunity for us.”

    “Let’s face it,” said Mr. Phonoff, “Some patents are worthless and some patents are worth big bucks. Why should we charge the same to review both? Why can’t we get a cut of the action on the latest multi-million dollar blockbusters? We need the flexibility to set prices based on what the market will bear.”

    Responses to the proposed pricing differential were mixed. One white-haired scientist hunched over bunch of bubbling stuff whose ID badge was obscured responded – “What market? There is no market for patent and trademark approvals. They are it. What are we inventors supposed to do if they charge too much? Apply for a patent in Tuvalu? Maybe it is time for me to do something else with my life… maybe its not too late to take up accounting?”

    Mr. Phonoff responded to this criticism – “Scientists and corporations are always bragging about how revolutionary their ideas are and how much money they will make for shareholders. And now they want us to stay on the sidelines? I don’t think so. When was the last time you heard about a government agency sponsored suite at the SuperBowl? Why should the corporations have all the fun? You will see big changes when we get the flexibility for market-based differential pricing for patents and trademarks.”

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    hehehe
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    Originally posted by DomeBase
    what do you folks think of this? funny? risky? useful?
    [cry] A reminder to me that the average person does not get the issue nor are they even close to being able to comprehend it. At least with net neutrality there are aspects people can sink their teeth into (they can see the greater diversity of media and increased access at very low cost) and thus have a chance at understanding the real motivation for the Net Neutrality activity.

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    ...........
    Last edited by generic; 09-23-2011 at 06:47 AM.

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    You should get a authentication email within 60 seconds of subscribing to the ga mailing list. After you send back the authentication code, you'll get a welcome email titled "Welcome to ga". You can't post until then.
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    Thanks infoguy.

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    I've posted my thoughts over there. This is an ugly proposition. I don't see any consideration to the domainer world; otherwise, they'd be posting here and getting thoughts and suggestions from people who have been in the industry and those who keep it running the way it is.
    "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." --Thomas Watson, Chairman of IBM, 1943

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    ...nevermind
    Last edited by generic; 08-24-2006 at 01:21 AM.

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    I wrote the following for the GA list, discussing how ICANN Negotiates.

    ICANN Negotiations -- A Play In Three Acts

    Prologue

    I think Vint underestimates the determination of registries to engage in discriminatory pricing. If it is supposedly "suicide", why negotiate a power into a contract that one does not intend to use? If it's a power one would never use, it means it is costless to remove that term from the contract.

    It's a simple negotiation.

    "Registry: We would *never* do that.
    ICANN: Great. Let's write it out of the contract.
    Registry: Done."

    Instead, we see something like the following, one might imagine:

    ACT I: A fancy restaurant overlooking a beautiful harbour, lunchtime.
    ....
    Registry: We would *never* do *that*.
    ICANN: Great. Let's write it out of the contract.
    Registry: (silence)
    (more silence)
    (the sound of crickets is heard chirping in the distant mountains)
    ICANN: Sorry, I must have mumbled? Did you hear me? Let's write it out of the contract.
    Registry: Hmmm, I'm not sure I'm authorized to do that, today.
    (a bead of sweat rolls down his temple)
    ICANN: But you just said you'd *never* do *that*?
    Registry: Yes, you are *absolutely* correct. We did just *say* we would *never* do that.
    (winks) I am glad ICANN is listening to us.
    ICANN: So, are we ready to write it out of the contract?
    Registry: Let's not be too hasty. The contract might be perfect just the way it is. We wouldn't want to meddle with perfection, would we?
    ICANN: I think we all agree, we would not want to meddle with perfection.
    Registry: Great.
    ICANN: So, we're not going to write it out of the contract?
    Registry: I never said that. Maybe we can discuss this over dinner. We all want to do the right thing. (smiles)
    ICANN: Of course, we all want to do the right thing. (smiles) (pauses) That is ICANN's mission!
    Registry: Yes, it is. You are absolutely correct. I'm glad we are discussing this. It demonstrates that ICANN is listening. The public doesn't appreciate how well ICANN is listening!
    ICANN: Thank you. We are always listening. We're happy that you agree that we are listening. You've been so supportive publicly, saying that we are listening. So, you're never going to do *that* right?
    Registry: We've always *said* we would never do *that*.
    ICANN: So, just to be clear. It will never happen or be introduced. Do I have that correctly?
    Registry: Doing that would be suicide! A registry who did that would lose the trust of the public! How can you ask us whether it will happen? (sits forward in seat, glaring)
    ICANN: If it was suicide, it would be true, it could never happen. (slumps back in chair)
    Registry: I am glad you are listening to us. You make so many logical points. It's a pleasure negotiating with you. (wink)
    ICANN: Thank you. (blushes) So, it's impossible that *it* will happen, then?
    Registry: We have *said* it repeatedly, we would *never* do that. You know, *anything* is possible. Martians might show up tomorrow, the planet could explode, quantum uncertainty,....
    ICANN: I'm glad you remembered I studied science! We know each other so well, having spent so much time together. (smiles)
    Registry: Yes, and how is the family?
    ICANN: They're great, thank you for asking. (blushes) But, getting back to the contract, you don't think it needs to have a new term added?
    Registry: We never said that. We are open to a long-term fruitful partnership with ICANN, and will always do the right thing.
    ICANN: Maybe we should study this issue further?
    Registry: That's a great idea! But, rest assured, I think we agree, we will always do the right thing. I think you can safely tell people, without further study, it would be suicide and registries will always do the right thing. We are willing to go on the record on that point!
    ICANN: So, we can tell people, it would be *suicide*? But, it would still be possible, right?
    Registry: Anything is possible. You can tell people, it would be *suicide*.

    ICANN responds to George: "It would be suicide for a registry to do that."

    Act II: One year later.....ballroom of a five star hotel

    Shareholder at Registry annual meeting: I'm proud that our management has increased its profits by 500% in the past year, through the introduction of tiered domain name pricing. They all deserve a raise!
    Registry Management: You are all so kind. *beaming* I have said it so many times before, but I'll say it again. We will always do the right thing *for our shareholders*.

    Act III: ICANN Meeting with Registry, at ICANN HQ

    ICANN: We're taking a lot of heat from domain registrants and the public now that you raised prices so much, and introduced tiered pricing. We have to do something! (look of desperation in eyes) You betrayed us, and said it would never happen!
    Registry: I distinctly remember saying that anything is possible.
    ICANN: We have to do something!!
    Registry: We have a contract. Period. We expect ICANN will respect what's in the contract. Don't make me bring this up with our lawyers. We feel we are solid on this point.
    ICANN: Yes, but you told us you would *never* do *that*!!!!! (jumps up and down)
    Registry: Have a seat. You're making me nervous. Have a drink. (fills glass). You are absolutely correct, we *did* say that. But, circumstances change. What's important is that we have a contract. We have a fiduciary duty to our shareholders to do the right thing to maximize shareholder value.
    ICANN: THE RIGHT THING??!!?? THE RIGHT THING?? (hyperventilating)
    Registry: We have always said, we will do the right thing.
    ICANN: What are we going to do!!!!!
    Registry: Well, we *could* always open up the contract for modifications. We see some possible improvements. We think a win-win might be possible. We don't *have* to do this, but ICANN is our partner, and we believe in a long and fruitful relationship.
    ICANN: (breathing a sigh of relief) So, you're going to stop doing *that*?
    Registry: No, we never said that. We have a contract. That item is non-negotiable. But, perhaps we can find other areas of improvement.
    ICANN: Yes! I'm glad you are willing to offer us that olive branch.
    Registry: You're like a member of the family to us. You are important. We will do the right thing.
    ICANN: Whew. I knew you were a good guy.
    Registry: I am glad that ICANN is listening to our concerns, and values our relationship.
    ICANN: We are always listening. That's part of our mission!
    Registry: Yes, and you fulfill that mission with EXCELLENCE. You are a star!
    ICANN: You are so kind. (blushes)
    Registry: I figure we can spend a few months working on amending the contract. Let's target the end of July, for a final draft. That'll give you time for summer holidays to relax.
    ICANN: That sounds great. You know I have family, and appreciate the time off in August.
    Registry: Yes, we know each other so well. You are almost a part of my family. (wink)
    ICANN: And we'll let the public have a comment period in August, and be ready to make a recommendation to our distinguished Board in September.
    Registry: Yes, we can't leave out the public comment period. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, this registry appreciates that ICANN is listening, and will take into account the views of the Public.
    ICANN: That is our mission!
    (Curtain Closes)

    THE END
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    George, is the issue of tiered pricing written in the contracts or is the issue of totally open ended pricing written into the contracts for which tiered pricing then becomes an unwritten option? Thanks!

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    ILikeInfo: Tiered pricing is not forbidden in the new contracts. It could be introduced, it might not be. The registries would have the option. What would profit-maximizing registries do?
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    Well done George. Your play brought me to tiers.

    Originally posted by GeorgeK
    What would profit-maximizing registries do?
    "WWPMRD"?

    I can see the wrist bands and bumper stickers now

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    I would be interested to hear from registrars on this.

    Maybe Monte can give his input.
    Your domains are never completely worthless. They can always be used as a bad example.

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    Originally posted by Chad
    I would be interested to hear from registrars on this.
    Politically, I'm not sure it's in a registar's interest to strongly argue against this issue.

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