Hi everyone , I'm new and want to buy domains that make $5 a day

[snoopy]

Regarding generics I think the volume of generic names selling for 8 years revenue with genuine natural traffic is very limited, either negative sounding names with little development potential or uninformed buyers (getting rarer).

There is a whole range range of different types of traffic names though and I think new entrants usually focus on the lower quality ones-the ones who are focused on traffic that is. Developing .cc's etc can't be compared to buying to buying high quality generics with established revenue. Developing names and relying mainly on search engine traffic is probably comparable to buying old link names in terms of risk.

I many people entering the market now though are probably focused on capital appreciation rather than returns from parking. I would guess that market prices have been rising at 70%+ on average over the last few years so the returns from resale are probably far more significant than parking returns.

[safesys]

I many people entering the market now though are probably focused on capital appreciation rather than returns from parking. I would guess that market prices have been rising at 70%+ on average over the last few years so the returns from resale are probably far more significant than parking returns.

Makes sense - I'd like to see more end user buys at the top end of the pricing to help validate the pricing. The seniors.com/locals.com sales were certainly a step in the right direction - but needs more end user volume of that order to really show an end user value shift vs a domainer expectation shift imo.

For all its faults, at least values based on parking multiples provided a simple but relatively sound commercial basis that isn't as prone to bubblenomics.

[snoopy]

Originally posted by safesys

For all its faults, at least values based on parking multiples provided a simple but relatively sound commercial basis that isn't as prone to bubblenomics.

Yes very true. I find it most surprising the way prices have jumped so much despite domain parking being stagnant.

[StockDoctor]

Bid Why the "High" standards? I realize that the profit margin % over cost is much lower on low revenue domains, but why shouldn't the new kids work on the 50 cents a day names? Working the numbers and pooling those names into a diversified portfolio of small stuff could still amount to a sale at a 6 Cap rate, or over $1k per name.

[Alexander]

Buy and develop? What content can a late-comer to the domaining industry put on an arbitrary website to attract traffic? Further, developing incurs hosting cost.

I'll take my properties as a convienient example. Skatermerch.com, in my opinion, would be an ideal place to sell skater-related goods. But I dont have the money required to operate a full-blown skater estore. The closest I could hope for would be basic content, perhaps the dates of skater events, supported by Adsense or the like. I dont think the increased return offset by hosting fees justifies spending the time and money required to make a poor website when I can just park it, as I have done.

irrashaimase.com would be a good site for anything related to Japan. Irrashaimase is the standard greeting you get when you enter a Japanese physical store. Of course there is 'irashaimase', which I believe is the correct spelling, and 'irrasshaimase'. So mines is a typo. It still has many links on google. Anyway, again I cant really develop anything but a mediocre website without any products to sell of its own. Parking probably wouldn't work as well here because the term has no goods directly associated with it. As a side note, my parking service seems to think eczema information and products is a good match for irrashaimase. Never did figure that one out. Nevertheless, the only option that comes to mind for me is resell to someone better equipped for development.

My final site is adult. Though I would doubtless find it pleasurable to make content for it, I dont think that I am in the best position to effectively market it. Plus this newbie thinks the operation of such sites is complicated. Too much so for an one-man operation.

So, to sum up, my observations on domaining for new guys is that development is for those with some resources. We new guys rely on free parking and flipping, if I can use it as such, of newly regged names.

[bidawinner]

Originally posted by Alexander


So, to sum up, my observations on domaining for new guys is that development is for those with some resources. We new guys rely on free parking and flipping, if I can use it as such, of newly regged names.

You need very little resources .. I handle 1.5 million visitors a year on $25 hosting ..unlimited domains

shopping carts are a dime a dozen

etc..

You need far less resorces to start a profitable devlopment than a profitable domaining.. at this poiint in time..

again ..if you wanted to simply buy enough domains to make $150 a day (just 30 at $5 a day) nearly a half a million ..

$486,000 (at typical 8 times revenue aftermarket)

or develop thta same revenue for a few hundred bucks for hosting , and maybe a PR release or 2

It takes times just like domaining does to get to the point where you are making any money..

[safesys]

Buy and develop? What content can a late-comer to the domaining industry put on an arbitrary website to attract traffic? Further, developing incurs hosting cost.

You'd need to put on your developer hat rather than your domainer hat. The demand in the developer model is the demand for information - find an area where you can compete and work back.

Parking probably wouldn't work as well here because the term has no goods directly associated with it

parking is all about traffic - if the domain doesn't get traffic it matters little what the correlation is.

my parking service seems to think eczema information and products is a good match for irrashaimase. Never did figure that one out.

Maybe they use some kind of sound-a-like algorithms that are linking it to "irritation".

[bidawinner]

Originally posted by Alexander
Buy and develop? What content can a late-comer to the domaining industry put on an arbitrary website to attract traffic? Further, developing incurs hosting cost.

I'll take my properties as a convienient example. Skatermerch.com, in my opinion, would be an ideal place to sell skater-related goods. But I dont have the money required to operate a full-blown skater estore. The closest I could hope for would be basic content, perhaps the dates of skater events, supported by Adsense or the like. I dont think the increased return offset by hosting fees justifies spending the time and money required to make a poor website when I can just park it, as I have done.

Your Skateboard domain is a excellent domain to develop on IF you actually have a interest in skatebaording


go to http://www.google.com/search?q=adwor...e7&rlz=1I7DKUS

look at all the terms

per click isnt huge but with say 150 page content on those terms and and active skatboarding forum

you should be able to pull in 10-15 a day $300-$450 a month ..and the site pretty much runs on itself ..just get your forum active

sell leads and add a shopping cart for direct skatboarding sales ..

It's easy IF you have an actual interest in your topic..

It isnt making anything now ..right


If you have absolutely no interest in developing and only want to get in on the domaining side..be forewarned it's going to cost you far more than $20 a month hosting

good luck

[Alexander]

Thanks again for the info safesys. I half-guessed at the sound-alike correlation. Looks like I'll have to become knowledgable about HTML, Java, Ajax and other web programming languages.

Are there affliate programs that provide goods that you can sell in a estore format? For example japanese trinkets, books, and tourist and vacationer gifts.

I've spent the last four weeks thinking up names. Not very fruitful in my opinion. Does anyone make money reselling newly regged names anymore? The reg and resell model is dead as there are no unregged names that generate sufficient traffic to be profitable? That cant be right.

You'd need to put on your developer hat rather than your domainer hat. The demand in the developer model is the demand for information - find an area where you can compete and work back.

I would have guessed that running an estore is where developers make their money. I interpret what you said, safesys, as meaning that providing information supported by an affiliate programs or ppc ads is what I should head towards. Unless you mean selling information in the form of books and the like.

Sorry my questions are so elementary but we all have to start off somewhere right?

[Alexander]

I like learning about pretty much anything bidawinner. That's one of the reasons I got into domaining. If people are willing to teach then I'll definately listen. Thanks for the lessons bidawinner.

Nope, cant say as how any of my parked sites are making any money.

Develop what makes you happy. Sounds very good.

I have a lot to learn if I'm going to be a developer. My understanding of HTML is rudimentary.

Skatermerch.com: By sell leads you mean sell the email addresses of people on the forums there? Plus I dont really know PHPbb or any other coding for forums.

A long way to go indeed.

[safesys]

I've spent the last four weeks thinking up names. Not very fruitful in my opinion. Does anyone make money reselling newly regged names anymore? The reg and resell model is dead as there are no unregged names that generate sufficient traffic to be profitable? That cant be right.

there are 2 different questions there - not all resale is based on traffic.

at the low end, there is low margin resale to other domainers which is the more liquid end of the market and then there is end user sales which are generally for higher prices but with a lower probability and longer timeframes.

I would have guessed that running an estore is where developers make their money. I interpret what you said, safesys, as meaning that providing information supported by an affiliate programs or ppc ads is what I should head towards. Unless you mean selling information in the form of books and the like.

you can make money from a developed site in a myriad of ways - ppc ads is a common one, affiliate programs, direct ad sales, dropshipping and actual product supply yourself (digital or physical) are all possibilities too.

theres no right or wrong way to do it as long as you make the money you want for the effort you have to put in.

[Alexander]

at the low end, there is low margin resale to other domainers which is the more liquid end of the market and then there is end user sales which are generally for higher prices but with a lower probability and longer timeframes.

Low margin resale to other domainers? That appeals to me. Even if I could make 50 cents over reg I'd be happy. However, how would this work? I'm pretty sure you mean reselling a domain that you yourself bought aftermarket.

[safesys]

Low margin resale to other domainers? That appeals to me. Even if I could make 50 cents over reg I'd be happy. However, how would this work? I'm pretty sure you mean reselling a domain that you yourself bought aftermarket.

I was thinking more reg fee to be honest, it's easier to get impulse buys that are a high percentage over cost but low in actual dollar terms at reg fee.

Boils down to picking things that people are willing to pay a small dollar amount premium for in lieu of them taking the time themselves to hunt for the names. Listing on forums (domain/webmaster) being the best way to punt them on.

[Alexander]

Boils down to picking things that people are willing to pay a small dollar amount premium for in lieu of them taking the time themselves to hunt for the names.

The next question is obviously how do you find names and what sorts of names that qualify. But that, I am sure, you would want people to find out on their own. The only thing that comes to mind is looking at domains that have sold for $11 to $20 and reg similar names to sell. I have looked at various forums and cant find any obvious connection between the bottom barrel but over reg names.

[safesys]

The next question is obviously how do you find names and what sorts of names that qualify. But that, I am sure, you would want people to find out on their own. The only thing that comes to mind is looking at domains that have sold for $11 to $20 and reg similar names to sell. I have looked at various forums and cant find any obvious connection between the bottom barrel but over reg names.

names with direct commercial correlation (rather than indirect/fanciful terms) and/or that have some other attribute that people in volume see value in (like being short in length in a coveted tld).