Hi everyone , I'm new and want to buy domains that make $5 a day

[fizz]

IMHO just under $200 per day is good money.

[snoopy]

Originally posted by fizz
IMHO just under $200 per day is good money.

Yes, no arguments with that.

[subg]

I challenge someone to find 30 generics earning $5/day.

Traffic sales, and traffic wanted threads are like warzones on all boards.

I just spent 30k on a 1 word generic earning $5/day.

[snoopy]

Originally posted by subg
I challenge someone to find 30 generics earning $5/day.

Traffic sales, and traffic wanted threads are like warzones on all boards.

I just spent 30k on a 1 word generic earning $5/day.

I think the people starting out with limited resources tend to be after much lower quality traffic names (the ones who are realisitic anyway), link pop, typo etc.

[Rob]

Originally posted by bidawinner
Normal working class families making 50-100K a year are not going to invest $438,000 to make $150 a day ..

I'm giving people are more realistic avenue to that income at far less expense ..

I can teach anyone how to get to $150 a day in 6 months on less than a thousand dollars..

No one can do that domaining ..

Perhaps do that yourself first a few times over. If your $200 per day figure is to believed does that mean you only invested $1300 and 8 months of your time? I know you've been in the business a lot longer than that - what gives?

[Magick]

Bid raises a valid point. How do you explain to your banker to loan you $438,000, that will earn $150 per day. What kind of collateral do you have to put up.

One would think that if one had $438,000 to invest, there are better alternatives than going the way of ppc model that has no long term proven history.

[bidawinner]

Originally posted by Rob
Perhaps do that yourself first a few times over. If your $200 per day figure is to believed does that mean you only invested $1300 and 8 months of your time? I know you've been in the business a lot longer than that - what gives?

Rob .. at any one time ..for any 1-2-3 main sites ..

I'm always developing and selling

All I am saying is for anyone of normal middle class income to become involved in domaining wanting to make even $150 a day income ..it WILL cost the majority of them roughly $438,000 ..

naturally there are exceptions and those willing to tread TM's as if they didnt have a legal care in the world ...

To BUY those income producing domains= $438K at the normal everyday 8 times ppc

It is FAR easier and FAR less expensive to build that same $150 income .. IMO

Cost simply isnt an issue(under a grand in my experiance ) .. the issue is having a a work ethic , able to sit down and actually prepare content ..this is no different than the time and effort the domainer takes reasearching and testing(err tasting) thousnds of domains

The difference is the start up costs

If you have $438,000 grand just sitting around yes by all means buy the income producing domains and immediatly start reaping the 12.5 % return on your investment.

But for those middle class people ..there will be no investment return for many years..they have debt to pay off (438K worth !)

It's simply taking on debt.. we can debate the risk of that debt all day long ..the fact remains they have 438K they will have to pay before ever seeing a retrun on thier investment


Once again the main points are

1. People without vast sums of money able to just buy their way in
2. Least amount of initial investment and or debt
3. quickest immediate return on that investment

You want income with the least risks and debt .. developement is the way to go ..IF you have any work ethic at all..

Either Model domains/develop traffic (even with large amounst of cash) takes dedication and effort ..one model simply requires far less upfront cash

[phronesis]

Originally posted by bidawinner
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But for those middle class people ..there will be no investment return for many years..they have debt to pay off (438K worth !)

It's simply taking on debt.. we can debate the risk of that debt all day long ..the fact remains they have 438K they will have to pay before ever seeing a retrun on thier investment

Assuming you are in a rising market, the names should be appreciating in value in addition to earning income. Assuming they didn't borrow the $ to buy, the breakeven point could come well before 8 years.

[Rob]

[Edited] Ok understood what you were saying.

However as I said earlier there are still domains to be found at reg fee that produce earnings. It all depends on how much time and dedication you have and how far you are willing to learn to maximise searches in minimum time.
But I do agree with you in that the market is pretty much closed to new entrants. They should be investing elsewhere. The rewards so easily reaped in the old days (even though people swore blind then that development was a better bet) are now harder to find - my advice to new entrants? Find another industry.

[safesys]

In all honesty, if I was coming to the market cold without heavy resources to bring into play I would look at developing as my core revenue.

[Magick]

Given the fact that good generics and for that matter decent domains are finite at this stage of the game, should domainers be blunt and advice newbies that it is perhaps too late in the game to jump in.

Sometimes, the desire to appear helpful to new entrants, may prove to be detrimental to their fortunes and aspirations.

Is the dye cast?

[safesys]

I think new entrants need to realise that in coming to market this far into the game that the low hanging fruit is long gone. There are rewards to be had still for sure, but it requires more effort and/or more money to get momentum going.

[bidawinner]

OK so on "income" anyways looks like we are all pretty much on a the same planet

But There is still are other variables ..I know this is difficult for the .com purist to even consider but consider this :

speculating in ccTLDS and alternative extensions..

New technologies new ccTLDS taking off etc... that eventually also produce "direct navigation" .

After a cctLD for example has been around a number of years and has a solid base of at least tens of thousands of websites ..

..actual developed with more Businessess and individuals coming into the name space also developing..

leading to more direct navigation being built into the namespace..meaning more speculative buys by domaining community ..

and before you know it you have a .DE on your hands .. valuable space , direct navigation premium top tier - typos etc income as well as aftermarket sales..

You see where I am going with this ..

very possible we may be transitioning into a new "frontier""s" as .com (the majority of actual traffic names) are finding long term homes and are off the market (off the Market at any prices that make sense for the new domainer anyways)

I think we are already seeing the effects of the transition in even .coms on the market that ..

assume no traffic/revenues .. strictly "image" names sales of late ....

maybe "newbies"(as well as the rest of the domain community) would be wise to give more thought to looking at the emerging markets instead of the established markets..

as a way to establishing income from domains as well as the long term apppreciation value of owning the domain..for maybe 1/8 th the price of the established .com ?

In other words .. maybe they dont have 400K siting around but can put togteher 50k to produce that same income from alternative, emerging cctlds etc.. (extensions that the purest scoff at)

I havent even been paying attention lately (ok for a long long time ) are these so called lesser extensions ..even with traffic still going for 1 to 2 times earning compared to .com ?

So if a newbie on limited budget is bound and determined to get into domaining and hates developing with a passion ..then would this be the direction you would suggest?

I do know the IDN guys are way ahead of the curve on this ..still .com but seeing and acting on the emerging market

[safesys]

I havent even been paying attention lately (ok for a long long time ) are these so called lesser extensions ..even with traffic still going for 1 to 2 times earning compared to .com ?

On a pure traffic basis, I can't see the logic in why anyone would sell any inherent traffic domain for a lower multiple than .com given traffic is traffic. Some multiples for .com are longer because of the brand resale component though so I think you have to look at it as a combination value.

I could see people actually paying longer multiples on foreign traffic names where the ppc market in that country is currently undervalued due to them being behind the takeup curve.

In that type of market, the expected ppc bid appreciation (and likely traffic growth) would suggest the speed of recouping investment would increase.

[Domo Sapiens]

Originally posted by safesys
I think new entrants need to realise that in coming to market this far into the game that the low hanging fruit is long gone.

Exceptions apply to new extensions and or "Special Premium domain releases" for some existing extensions when playing the re-sell/secondary mkt.