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  • .COM

    23 54.76%
  • .NET

    6 14.29%
  • .ORG

    1 2.38%
  • .INFO

    22 52.38%
  • .BIZ

    4 9.52%
  • .CO.UK

    5 11.90%
  • .DE

    3 7.14%
  • .US

    14 33.33%
  • .TV

    0 0%
  • Other (please specify below in thread)

    0 0%
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  1. #91
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    Originally posted by safesys
    doubleclck's success/failured had nothing to do with the .com tld - it had to do with the way the internet as a medium was percieved.

    your "pay me to support my own argument" rebuff is wearing thin mole, if you make as many posts as you do for an argument it would be a common courtesy to back up what you are saying - and that means not a link to a single site or two or listing a handful of sales it means providing some kind of tangible proof that your comments about .com and also .info are grounded in reality.

    I don't see how anyone can look at the info reg numbers and end user activity, compare it to .com, and make the bald assertions you do.
    Similarly, your Peter Pan view of the internet is wearing thin, safe.

    Your sweeping sugggestion that I ignore common courtesy to show growing evidence and facts is faulticious and misrepresentative of my history of posts, something which can only be attributed to tje deliberate trashing of all that I have posted recent eg http://dnforum.com/showthread.php?threadid=11611to

    Now, can you give me some facts and figures to show why I should still believe that dotcom is not going downhill? I want to be convinced.

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    ok, saleswise I can obviously only reference public sales to you and not the private sales I know have taken place.

    Recently Sold Domains at Sedo:
    medicon.com 1.800 $US
    high-heels.com 2.000 EUR
    yacht.biz 180 EUR
    kia.us 500 EUR
    next-economy.de 1.600 EUR
    intellicool.com 1.115 EUR
    flirt24.com 420 EUR
    baddrug.com 1.200 $US

    greatdomains.com:
    High Profile Sales
    $15,000 Kind.com
    $25,000 Swap.com
    $25,000 Notes.com
    $30,000 Manners.com

    http://domainsystems.com/recentsales.htm
    (can't be bothered to cut and paste this - just note the proliferation of .coms there).

    type in revenue is obviously private data and its not appropriate for me to divulge that - so simply take a look on overture for terms like sex.com, media.com etc and treat it as a sample.
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    That's not evidence. That's prove why dotcom is a dying duck in terms of resale value.

    2 years ago I was a regular at Afternic. I remember the prices, and the prices shown now are not even 5% of what was asked.

    Personally, I was shell-shocked when media.com went for less than $100k, rumored much less.

    It was showing $750,000 on AN, then brought down to $250,000 ($200,000 on GreatDomains), then sold for less than $100k to elequa. All in the span of less than one year.

    Aiyayaa, better leave this discussion before it gets too embarassing for anyone.

    Chow guys, gotta hit the sack.

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    You seem to confuse the internet as a whole with .com as a namespace, which is easily done as to many they are synonymous.

    I would have thought that someone involved in media would have noticed the phenomenal drop in online ad costs which amazingly coincides with the drop in domain resale values.
    Last edited by safesys; 11-20-2002 at 07:25 AM.
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    Originally posted by mole
    Give me stats and advice on why you think dotcom is not going downhill and help me out.
    Registrations having been growing now for the past few months (according to snap state of the domain), registration levels back to July 2001 totals of over 21,000,000 which is higher now than at any point during the 99/00 boom.

    Here some other stats,

    .info registrations a bit under 1 million registrations with growth of around 600/day at the moment - a growth figure which has been falling.

    Do that maths and you'll see at those rates it will be the year 2094 before the .info registrations match .com registrations!(assuming no growth from .com).

    I'm still waiting for you stats

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    .............
    Last edited by generic; 09-21-2011 at 08:13 PM.

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    Originally posted by snoopy

    Regarding .com values they have decreased in value by a huge amount, probably up to 90-95%; so has every other extension (many such as .ws, .cc seem to have fallen by almost 100%!); no one is denying that.
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    Mole, talk about ignoring "hard facts' and " when a person chooses to close thier eyes" as you put it. Since the above statement by snoopy you have said.....

    Show me just one encouraging sign on why dotcom is not on the downhill.
    It's often difficult, if not impossible, to debate an issue on which chick looks the best when a person choses to close their eyes

    Now, can you give me some facts and figures to show why I should still believe that dotcom is not going downhill? I want to be convinced.
    Matt

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    Personally I think its a bit of a mistake to take wildly inflated sales prices achieved during the boom, and equate the fall in value of domains since those peaks to the failure of an extension.

    Comparing asking prices to final selling prices (the media.com example) and arguing that represents a fall in value is just as crazy. Go to any auction site and you'll see most of the domains (regardless of extension) priced at unrealistic levels! What a seller is asking for a domain is often a poor indication of its true value.

    Generally Internet assets generally have fallen by 90% or more in the last couple of years, look at most of the Internet stocks listed on the Nasdaq and the % falls are around those kinds of levels. All that has happened with domains is prices have come back from inflated boom time levels to realistic levels. Media.com at $100k sounds like a very realistic price to another domainer, what would media.info get?
    GamesRoom.com, Possum.com, Arithmetic.com on greatdomains auction, low reserves, priced to sell!

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    whoops! sorry
    Last edited by generic; 11-20-2002 at 07:42 PM.

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    Last edited by generic; 09-21-2011 at 08:13 PM.

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    Originally posted by Tee
    I wish you or matty p or safe no harm.

    You guys are very smart, obviously.

    the best luck to all everywhere!
    Well thanks Tee.

    You have placed me too highly in the 'smart stakes' make no bones about that. I am well out of snoopy and safes league.

    I wish my post to mole, to go on record as saying it, as I see it. I am not for or against .com or .info. I just felt that a few facts may have been 'over looked'

    I, in fact, have Previous.info and Apprenticeship.info, among a few others, registered so I am rooting for .info to do well. I sold two .info's not long ago (hardly high roller prices) and am very fond of the ext.

    I think, anyone that gets the impression that this site/forum is into info bashing, only need to look at some of the tools provided to aid their cause in finding prized .info's.

    As I said, I posted, as I saw it.

    Matt
    Last edited by Matt; 11-20-2002 at 12:52 PM.

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    Originally posted by MattyP
    I think anyone that gets the impression that this site/forum is info bashing I think they only need to look at some of the tools provided to aid their cause in finding prized .info's.
    DomainState actually has quite a favorable structure and set of helps for new .TLDs and .INFO in particular. I think the new extensions section is turning out to be useful. The poll results actually show a much higher proportion of pro-.INFO votes than a similar poll at another forum. We have also tried to put together data on sales and working websites... to make better informed judgments. I think the mods have been pretty open minded and helpful.... and that people in general are receptive to data.

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    It does not automatically follow that if .info does great .com must do poorly so from my own position I see no problem if .info did do well. But when people are being told that .com is a poor investment and .info is the future there needs to be an input of reality to balance it out so that people can make an informed decision about what domain holdings they take.

    As has been described above, the internet as a medium experienced enormous overinflation in 99/00 which led to unsustainable valuations on anything internet related. That situation could not, and did not, last and the market as a whole dropped below its natural point and is now finding its level. This is something that affected everything internet related - not just .com.

    In fact, the relatively low resale prices of .info's right now is a result of this very realignment.

    Buyers are now able to look at historic data and not be quite so awe struck when they see internet attached to an acquisition. This leads to a more stable and natural marketplace for everything internet related including domain names.

    The bottom line is if you have something other people want then you can make a profit - if you don't, regardless of tld, then you likely won't.

    In this business, at this moment in time, research is what leads to profit moreso than anything else. hope has never been a strong currency - for any tld.
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  14. #104
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    Originally posted by safesys
    It does not automatically follow that if .info does great .com must do poorly so from my own position I see no problem if .info did do well. But when people are being told that .com is a poor investment and .info is the future there needs to be an input of reality to balance it out so that people can make an informed decision about what domain holdings they take.

    As has been described above, the internet as a medium experienced enormous overinflation in 99/00 which led to unsustainable valuations on anything internet related. That situation could not, and did not, last and the market as a whole dropped below its natural point and is now finding its level. This is something that affected everything internet related - not just .com.

    In fact, the relatively low resale prices of .info's right now is a result of this very realignment.

    Buyers are now able to look at historic data and not be quite so awe struck when they see internet attached to an acquisition. This leads to a more stable and natural marketplace for everything internet related including domain names.

    The bottom line is if you have something other people want then you can make a profit - if you don't, regardless of tld, then you likely won't.

    In this business, at this moment in time, research is what leads to profit moreso than anything else. hope has never been a strong currency - for any tld.
    Nothing more than pure Peter Pan opinions safe. Show us research why dotcom is not going downhill. If you need to pay $100,000 pounds to a research agency to do so, I'll gladly contribue $10 towards your cause.

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    With respect mole, I think I'll pass on wasting more time with you - you are truly a lost cause.

    Good luck.
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