Originally posted by carlton
I wonder if DomainTools has a cache of the whois page showing registration good through 2009. Or are you sure the registration deadline did get overlooked? ILI had written in a thread about some funny stuff going on at Afilias with accidental .info releases being reclaimed. My point being could there have been a registry mistake here that caused Seafood.info to be placed into drop status in error. There's a thread link on another forum that makes reference to the domain being registered through 2009 though not sure if any merit to that claim.

I just checked my Moniker account and YES I did renew it on 7/8/08, 5 days before it was supposed to expire. See below "copy & paste" from details of that transaction. (Its 2nd from the bottom)


Name : Tariq,Ghafoor
Address: P.O.Box 27829
City,State Zip: Tempe,AZ,85285
Transaction Date: 2008-07-08
Transaction ID: 30072509
Transaction Total: $174.57
Total Paid: $174.57
Comment: Pre-Paid Funds
TRANSACTION DETAILS
Posted Date Description Qty Unit Price Amount

2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (ACTING.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (AUTOMOTIVE.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (BANDS.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (BILLIARDS.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (BIOTECHNOLOGY.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (BROADBAND.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (CHEESE.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (FINANCING.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (FUNDRAISING.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (HOSPITALS.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (INVENTIONS.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (KARACHI.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (LITERATURE.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (MANUFACTURING.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (MODELING.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (NAVY.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (NORFOLK.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (PARKS.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (PEDIATRICS.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (REFRIGERATION.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (SALTLAKECITY.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (SEAFOOD.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
2008-07-08 Domain Renewal (SIGNS.INFO) 1 7.59 $7.59
Total charges: $174.57
2008-07-08 Payment Moniker - 180.00 - $174.57
Balance: $0.00

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What can I do about it now...???????

I'd write or call Moniker (Monte) immediately. Perhaps Moniker experienced technical difficulties renewing your domain, or did so but the recent problems at Afilias failed to record your renewal properly. That you have record of renewal payment 5 days prior to expiration is pretty compelling evidence it would seem.

Originally posted by carlton
I'd write or call Moniker (Monte) immediately. Perhaps Moniker experienced technical difficulties renewing your domain, or did so but the recent problems at Afilias failed to record your renewal properly. That you have record of renewal payment 5 days prior to expiration is pretty compelling evidence it would seem.

Thanks Carlton. Just wrote an e-mail to Monte via this forum and also to Moniker Rep. Don Lyons...see what happens. Wonder if I can file a motion in a local court in this regard if nothing happens?

Originally posted by Speculator
Thanks Carlton. Just wrote an e-mail to Monte via this forum and also to Moniker Rep. Don Lyons...see what happens. Wonder if I can file a motion in a local court in this regard if nothing happens?

Not knowing exactly what happend yet, it would appear the domain should not have expired and entered the drop cycle. That is the # 1 responsibility of any registrar to their customer. My assumption is if someone paid their normal registration fee by the due date, then it would be incumbent upon the registrar to do everything necessary, whatever is required, to restore the domain to its rightful owner.

Given Moniker's advertised security and customer service focus, I assume they will quickly intervene and take over to help you. Please keep us posted. Many domainers have not yet seen your post, but will be very invested in the response and outcome.

NOTE:

1) Registries *AUTO RENEW* all domains, period

2) Registrars literally *DO NOTHING* to renew domains

3) A registrar must *DELETE* a domain, in other words the operation is compeletely backwords of what you think
- Do nothing -> renew
- Do something -> delete -> goes to pending delete

Therefor: Registry operations do not apply, period ... *PERIOD*.

Next up: Expiration date's relationship to "deletion date"

Simply put, there is none.

A domain may be deleted at any time, *ANY TIME*. And since the registry *ALLWAYS* auto renews all domains, the deletion date/time is purely controled by the sponsoring registrar and when they *SEND* EPP Delete(DomainName).

Only exception I know of are the fake landrush domains (Afilias seems to override the registrar in some way), and one other that is too abstract and does not apply to this discussion anyway.

Originally posted by ILikeInfo
NOTE:

1) Registries *AUTO RENEW* all domains, period

2) Registrars literally *DO NOTHING* to renew domains

3) A registrar must *DELETE* a domain, in other words the operation is compeletely backwords of what you think
- Do nothing -> renew
- Do something -> delete -> goes to pending delete

Therefor: Registry operations do not apply, period ... *PERIOD*.

Next up: Expiration date's relationship to "deletion date"

Simply put, there is none.

A domain may be deleted at any time, *ANY TIME*. And since the registry *ALLWAYS* auto renews all domains, the deletion date/time is purely controled by the sponsoring registrar and when they *SEND* EPP Delete(DomainName).

Only exception I know of are the fake landrush domains (Afilias seems to override the registrar in some way), and one other that is too abstract and does not apply to this discussion anyway.

In other words (put simply) Moniker is the one fully responsible here to "actively" delete the domain and dump it back in the circulation for others to regsiter...Wow...What a competent & secure registrar here!!

I'm not pointing any fingers, I'm just pointing out this issue freqently comes up in discussion and wanted to make sure everyone knows how the registrar/registry interface works in this case.

Also that if the registrar deletes a domain within ~45 days of autorenewal they will receive *A REFUND* of the amount debited at autorenew. This is the basis of transfer fullfillment: Nab the domain as soon after expiration (AKA Autorenew) and auto it *BEFORE* the "renewal grace period" ends. If you get no takers you delete for a refund, if you get a bidder you know *NOT* to delete the domain as you're guarenteed a payment to cover the autorenew operation.

So, and I will make an industry judgement call here, all deletes, or "repos", that occur before the end of renewal grace are *PREDITORY* deletes/repos. However transfer fullfillment can't work unless the registrar works this way, thus again transfer fullfillment needs to stop or be stopped ...

Affilias did have some issues as everyone knows.

I will look into this personally.

Originally posted by mcahn
Affilias did have some issues as everyone knows.

I will look into this personally.

The issue was their system deleted all pending delete domains on a single night, basically ignoring the redemption/schedualed for release state of each domain in the pending delete state.


Per my whois monitoring, all affected domains have been placed back into their previous state, with an extension. It was my public whois scanner that also informed me of the original problem, as did others systems here on DS.

SEAFOOD.INFO dropped before the above event occured, just a couple of days before it I recall correctly.

Affilias had issues in the past week. The domain entered pending delete about 45 days ago. I would love to see how this turns out. I am willing to bet actually. It's going to turn out ugly.

Originally posted by mcahn
Affilias did have some issues as everyone knows.

I will look into this personally.

Thanks Monte, I will wait for your response.

its being resolved

Originally posted by mcahn
its being resolved

Thanks Monte....

Reason for hope as Whois now showing some promising update as follows:

Domain ID:26114974-LRMS
Domain Name:SEAFOOD.INFO
Created On:10-Sep-2008 09:47:05 UTC
Last Updated On:07-Oct-2008 15:48:15 UTC
Expiration Date:10-Sep-2009 09:47:05 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Primedomain.ca Inc (R447-LRMS)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:N-R673490PD
Registrant Name:Moniker Escrow Services
Registrant Organization:Services Moniker
Registrant Street1:20 Sw27th Aveneue #201
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Pompano Beach
Registrant State/Province:FL
Registrant Postal Code:33069
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.9549848445
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:+1.9549699155
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email: escrow@Moniker.com

WOW..
I could only "speculate" on this .. as they were selling this domain on another forum with a $9000 BIN until withdrawing the sale 15 hours ago..

jim

Yes - the domain will be to you shortly