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    Peculiar results of the Web Search Results box: What have you seen?

    Amongst other things I've found the following:

    1. Links that appear to lead to websites but that actually lead to parked domain names. Not recent drops either. Of the first dozen or so links that I checked 3 were to parked domains. Go figure. What's the odds of that?

    2. Golly: A link to Roar.com!

    3. A pattern that looks like the first 2 of 5 links on a page are unrelated to the subject of the optimized link, suggesting that the top 2 links in the Web Search Results box may be specially fed into the top 2 positions. If that's the case I have to ask: Could we be a bit more subtle?

    4. This one just popped up as a link in a Web Search Results box. I wonder what that imbedded comment "Paid advertisement" means? Maybe someone didn't cleanse the link feed before inserting it? Maybe it's time to start getting honest? I just don't know but it's pretty amusing at the very least:

    WebSearch Results
    The sildenafil revolution
    Paid advertisement Tongkat ali extract capsules Please visit www.TongkatAli.org for the best prices for genuine 1:50 tongkat ...
    http://www.sildenafil.org/
    5. Geeze. Another parked domain name. This one at GoDaddy: http://www.wholesalebuyersdirectory.com/ Make that 4 out of 20 links checked lead to parked domain names.

    6. OMG, the next one I checked and it's another parked domain name: http://www.mygoldenyears.com/ Is it time to track down WhoIs info? This is a "natural" or "organic" search feed?

    I've had enough. This is just too weird.

    Anyone else care to add what they find?

    I'd take a look at the top 2 links in the feed in each box. Interesting place to start.

    So, anyone want to come clean about exactly what is going on? This is an "organic" search feed? Define "organic"? These links that are appearing on my domain names are "natural"? Define natural.

    Remember: I'm on your side. I think you - DSp - have a good thing going and I'd hate to see you blow it. There's so many ways you can do that. One way is to blow your credibility. All the other stuff to date, such as the image mismatches, was just general bungling.

    OBTW: You know, I chose the name CrankyOldMan for it's complexity: "Is he kidding? Is he really?" Truth is, I love to to joke, craft humor and laugh. I love having fun, kicking back, shooting the breeze. Heck, I was my fraternity's social chairman - the guy in charge of all the important stuff, like making certain we didn't run out of beer, ya know? The "cranky" part is mostly mostly mostly reserved for those situations where I feel that someone is not being straight with me, when someone thinks they can hose me. when someone hands me BS thinking I'll just take it on face value. Or, when someone acts like a bully towards others. Then I turn green and you really wouldn't like me at all.

    I'm not green at the moment. More pee(vish) yellow green. The color I get when I'm waiting for one of my kids to give me a straight answer to a question I (unfortunately) already know the answer.
    Last edited by CrankyOldMan; 07-05-2006 at 09:46 AM.
    Going fishing, soon, I hope.

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    You do realise spiders can spider the results of other search engines via third party sites?
    When using google for counts - use double quotes for usage counts for multiword terms and set "match type" to "exact" for all search volume lookups. Click here for more info

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    Safe, the only thing I realize is that no one is stepping forward with a simple, straightforward answer to a simple question: Who is it that is benefiting as the intermediary - the small provider - from all the free traffic?

    IF I'm going to give away free traffic a) I'd sure as heck appreciate that traffic going to some worthy cause, not someone else's parked domain names; and, b) I sure as heck would appreciate a somewhat more quality feed.

    There's a few other things I can think of, in terms of the modus operandi of the feed but let's cover the basics first.

    Who is it that is controlling where that "free traffic" is going? Who is the "small provider" and who is behind the "small provider"?

    Based upon what I have been seeing something just doesn't look or feel right. Can we just start with a full disclosure of who is benefitting?

    Safe, do you know the answer? I imagine, as host of this very forum, that you do possess a greater degree of insight and/or information.

    Why is this like pulling teeth if there's nothing to be embarrassed about or otherwise?

    Who is the intermediary - the "small provider"?
    Going fishing, soon, I hope.

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    Safe, do you know the answer? I get the feeling you do.
    you'd be feeling wrong. the only problem I have is the quality of those results - giving traffic away for free to help overall revenue is one thing, but having offensive ads on mainstream terms for free is another.
    When using google for counts - use double quotes for usage counts for multiword terms and set "match type" to "exact" for all search volume lookups. Click here for more info

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    Well, thanks for the sharing that fact. Still, that's too bad because I actually have 2 problems that remain unresolved.

    The very fact that the "web search results" ARE so bad is one problem. The other is the notion that a) maybe they aren't so bad from someone's POV - that someone being whomever is profitting by virtue of the "bad results" which are actually someone else's good or happy results; and, b) I have an undisclosed third party that presumably IS profitting from an arrangement whereby I send them free traffic and I'd really like to know "Why should anyone profit who produces such junk?" Why aren't they fired? Why not simply use DMOZ listings and name them as such? DMOZ listings have at least some small measure of credibility.

    These listings, with all the imbedded parked domain names and Adsense sites AND affiliate sites simply have no credibility in my book. They look like a set up. They pretend to be natural or organic "web search results" when they have the overwhelming feel of a "send traffic to my profit making friends" deal.

    There's just too much going on in the links I've checked for the feed to be anything fairly described natural or organic. This has all the markings of a dodgy deal and the fact that I've yet to read who is behing the feed doesn't make it feel any less dodgy.
    Going fishing, soon, I hope.

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    There are specific requirements to use the dmoz listings that imo are not compatible (I wouldn't want them on my sites).

    You talk about the third party providng the feed profitting - but unless the trafftic goes via them through a redirect then it could simply be the advertisers/listees who benefit without cost.
    When using google for counts - use double quotes for usage counts for multiword terms and set "match type" to "exact" for all search volume lookups. Click here for more info

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    Safe, it seems a fair return on our generous gift of free traffic that there be full disclosure about the relationship. Who are we giving that traffic to? What's the nature of the deal? What's in it for the "small provider"?

    I don't see the rub and the longer I wait to see that full and fair disclosure about the feed provider the more dodgy the whole thing feels. We could speculate and rationalize the nature of the "small provider" arrangement all day. That's not the answer.

    So far as the DMOZ requirments go all that is required is that the page displaying the results give attribution to the source in language - all of about 14 words - juxtaposed to the display of the DMOZ links.
    Going fishing, soon, I hope.

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    So far as the DMOZ requirments go all that is required is that the page displaying the results give attribution to the source in language - all of about 14 words - juxtaposed to the display of the DMOZ links.
    This is what must be displayed:

    The following attribution HTML must be included on all web pages that use Open Directory content, as described in the Open Directory license.

    http://www.dmoz.org/become_an_editor/
    When using google for counts - use double quotes for usage counts for multiword terms and set "match type" to "exact" for all search volume lookups. Click here for more info

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    You know, safe, this thread and the related thread would likely be a whole lot shorter, and the air would be a whole lot less smoky, if someone would just stop treating me like a mushroom.

    You know: Box me in, feed me manure and keep me in the dark.

    It's beginning to feel like "What did you know and when did you know it" time, instead of "The "small provider" is XYZ and XYZ is an entity created by and/or controlled by Bob, Jim and Suzie". Heck, my nose might be bent out of shape a little when I learn that it's an party to which only a few selected players have been invited . . . but I can somewhat figure that out already just by looking at the . . cough . . cough . . organic results.

    Dodging the question only adds to the overall dodgy feeling of the Web Search Results (WSR) and the comments made about the WSR up to now, including comments about their "organic(ness)" and their "natural(ness)". Anyone actually looking at who they are providing free traffic to is likely to make the same observations.

    Keep my trust. Sometimes you can even manage to keep my trust when you admit you were doing something that wasn't exactly 100% in my interest and entirely a square deal. You all know the drill and how it works. Man up and don't do it again.

    I'm waiting - and all I'm waiting for - is a full and fair disclosure of who and how anyone is benefiting from all the free traffic I am sending. If it's not a square deal then fix it. If it is a square deal then stop keeping a lid on it. I can already see more than I care to see and it's not pretty.
    Going fishing, soon, I hope.

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    hmmm.......organic?.....natural?......sounds and smells like BS to me

    sorry, couldn't resist....I'm still laughing as I write...hehehe
    Knowledge talks, wisdom listens...

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    I see the Featured Site appear above the Sponsored Site on occassions with links to other PPC or Web results/PPC combo's

    Examples; info.com and lottsy.com

    Why would the No. 1 Position on the second page be sending browsers to yet another search query entity?

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    because they've paid for position?
    When using google for counts - use double quotes for usage counts for multiword terms and set "match type" to "exact" for all search volume lookups. Click here for more info

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    Originally posted by CrankyOldMan
    You know, safe, this thread and the related thread would likely be a whole lot shorter, and the air would be a whole lot less smoky, if someone would just stop treating me like a mushroom.

    You know: Box me in, feed me manure and keep me in the dark.
    rofl

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    because they've paid for position?
    I thought Parking companies did not like advertising of other parked pages on other peoples network. It would be like me promoting my parked domains on Google search network. Just not allowed I thought.

    A "Featured Site" listing appeared on one of my domains under Hotel catergory, leading the user to yet another parked page. Seemed to be a Yahoo feed page.

    See; http://thebestnyc.com/index_lander.p...hotel+new+york

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    Another example;

    Keyword; "budget rent a car"

    Featured Site (1st box at top of the second page) is; wwwcarsrental.com which is parked at trafficz.com

    I get the feeling that a large portion of traffic from our domain portfolio's is bleeding off onto other peoples parked names. Would explain drop in RPM of late.

    I would like an explanation from Domain Sponsor.

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