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  1. #16
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    If you - DSp - want to borrow half my brain for the purpose all you have to do it ask
    Anyone with half a brain should know why this came to a head over the weekend and why DS have acted to get something into place as quickly as possible.

    At least give them a chance to work on improving it during the working week before you sit down and write war and peace.
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    why this came to a head over the weekend
    "Came to a head"?

    You mean, like realize there's a problem? You mean that thought finally entered someone's head?

    Anyone with a brain for serious long term business never would have allowed this obvious problem to fester for at least a year. This was about making hay whilst the sun shone, not putting investing for the long haul.

    What may have come to a head this weekend - such as facing the prospect of losing an entire advertising feed base, such as Google or Overture - should have been painfully obvious for months. I guess someone was awaiting the inevitable arrival of someone like Chad before they would do anything. Guess what? It happened.

    That's just wrong.

    So far as dolling out credit for "this weekend's actions" the credit, if credit is due anyone for action finally being taken by DSp, belongs to Chad. That he is the impetus is painfully obvious. Forget talking about credit. The problem is the problem: The rush to implement what should have been artfully crafted during the course of the entire past 12 months.

    Why is it that voices outside the company appear to have a better grasp of how things work and don't work? When will they ever open their corporate mind to the intelligence of those who are willing to offer guidance freely?

    Who the heck sits on their Board of Directors and why aren't those individuals doing a better job of guiding the comapany?

    Here's a few more issues that should be addressed. Let's see if on these issues we again have to wait for management by crisis:

    1. Expired domains for formerly virtuous websites (church groups, NPOs, educational sites, etc.) being added to the PPC system and being used to redirect traffic to anything that isn't equally virtuous - like sports betting, casinos, adult material.

    2. Trademark typos.

    3. Domain off topic links that are auto-generated that lead to all manner of websites having nothing to do with the domain. It need not just be porn, especially when the domain is something benevolent and the links are not.

    4. Images for sexual services or sex fantasies being placed on domains that have nothing to do with sex.

    5. Parking systems where every - EVERY domain - is NOT subject to scrutiny before being accepted. What a mountain of humbug that excuse has forever been. I can scan a list of a 1000 domains in about 2-4 minutes - tops - and pick out every one that is worth a hoot. That same list can be auto-scanned for words AND then scanned by human eyes in no time, even if the list is 100,000 domains long.

    I could go on but that's not supposed to be my job.

    Somebody, somewhere needs to start doing their job of "creating the future of the domain monetizing industry".

    It may cut revenue right now, to shed some of the baggage, but in the long haul right action in this realm will make someone king of the hill.

    I've said enough. I'm going back to my cave. Somebody else do some thinking so I can happily hibernate until Spring.
    Last edited by CrankyOldMan; 03-06-2006 at 12:01 AM.
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    Moved up.
    Last edited by CrankyOldMan; 03-05-2006 at 11:55 PM.
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    Originally posted by CrankyOldMan
    If the "very serious problem" has been around and blatant / conspicuous for at least a year do you mean to tell me that the half-baked solution could only be whipped up in it's ill-conceived form in a week or two?
    The "very serious problem" has been around for more than a year - and you know it. While it's taken time for 'serious action' to be taken, it's not half baked. It's immediate action taken for the short term, to give time for a proper end result being devised and implemented, I can only assume, for the long term. It will take time. It had to be done sometime, that time is here.

    Stop bellyaching and think of the long term gains for the industry and minors, not the short term losses.

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    Bellyaching? Please. When the village is bombed because the army refused to employ a precision guided weapon it's not bellyaching. It's expressing exactly what's on the villagers minds. Don't tell me that carnage requires politeness.

    The Board of Directors of this company needs to be replaced. The B of D is the body that is supposed to be addressing long term business objective and policy.

    Think about long term gains? That's exactly my point: It appears that someone, somewhere - who is supposed to be in charge of "long term" has been missing in action.

    Let's see you all take a leadership position before the next fireball erupts.

    What elso do you see in the here and now that is more of the same: Not looking to the future and taking action in the here and now?

    I think I named 4 or 5 just above. Some points I brought forward for discussion the first month I joined DomainState - such as the likelihood of trademark domains and trademark typos being 1 possible undoing of the entire industry. I think I raised that point about a year before the industry finally began to take action. So please, ave the "bellyaching" aspersion for someone who hasn't been trying as hard as I have - in advance - to get this industry to think ahead.

    You have any forward looking ideas, critical of current practice, that you would care to add in the interest of long term planning, where action should be taken before the moment of crisis arrives?

    If you do then do you wonder what it will take for anyone to listen and act? The standard, as of this moment, is that it takes a crisis.

    Fiddlesticks about bellyaching. It's more like projectile vomiting, an affliction suffered by those subjected to nuclear radiation from bomb bursts.
    Last edited by CrankyOldMan; 03-06-2006 at 12:17 AM.
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    Originally posted by CrankyOldMan
    You have any you would care to add in the interest of long term planning, where action should be taken before the moment of crisis arrives?
    Ok, so the long term planning wasn't as it should have been. Let's just be glad something is being done now for the good of all.

    Man, get a grip. Seriously.

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    Man, get a grip. Seriously.
    I cannot reconcile the gravity of what Chad has been shining a spotlight on, the grave consequences to DomainSponsor and the entire domain industry - including us domainers - of ignoring what has been going on for a year, and the tenor of your comment.

    Like most matters it is the relentlesa and oftimes corrupt behavior of a few - in this case Pedodomainers - that can damage the bona fide efforts and objective of the many.

    Did anyone really think that Google or Yahoo/Overture would play hand in hand with the porn and pedo industry?

    The only grip that needs to be adjusted is a grip on a battle axe or broadsword. Heads need to roll. IF there is a Board of Directors I'd start there. There is no vision. There is no grasp of political economics. There is no real leadership when it's management by crisis.
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    http://www.domainstate.com/showthrea...430#post287430

    By Matt:

    What needs to be remembered is that Chad first created this thread on the 06-06-2005 01:47 PM

    Chad is turning up the heat after, I suspect, he felt enough is enough. If some people are feeling the heat now, it's only because it's been simmering for so long, it really never needed to get to this boiling point.
    That just about sums it all up, doesn't it?
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    Originally posted by safesys
    Folks, ds have taken action over the weekend to get a handle on a very serious problem that affects everyone involved with ppc - they will have solid economic reasons to make the filtering less aggressive very quickly but at least they've done something about an issue that has the potential to hurt a lot more than then blocking some keywords for a short period.
    100% agree. I generally say the way it is, but on this topic I can wait for DS to make it right.

    Thanks.

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    Originally posted by CrankyOldMan
    I cannot reconcile the gravity of what Chad has been shining a spotlight on, the grave consequences to DomainSponsor and the entire domain industry - including us domainers - of ignoring what has been going on for a year, and the tenor of your comment.
    Your posts, to me, come across like the real reason you are upset is you are losing a few cents/dollars a day because of the actions taken by DS, to finally sort this mess out once and for all.

    To me, you seem very selfish and self centred. Sorry to be blunt but you pushed.

    I'll, seriously, donate $5 a day to ease your suffering if that helps.

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    Originally posted by Matt
    Chad is turning up the heat after, I suspect, he felt enough is enough. If some people are feeling the heat now, it's only because it's been simmering for so long, it really never needed to get to this boiling point.
    Originally posted by CrankyOldMan
    just about sums it all up, doesn't it?
    Originally posted by Matt
    Ok, so the long term planning wasn't as it should have been. Let's just be glad something is being done now for the good of all.

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    Matt, by that comment you are moving from the unreal to the absurd. You want to deflect attention from the core issue? It's not going to gain traction except amongst the worst cynics: Those who stand to lose the most becasue they chose to invest in promoting the sleeze industry.

    I'm not feeling any pain for the money that Childrens.org was generating, though I might feel some pain for the loss of any good it was generating for people who were looking for answers: Links to "children's hospitals", childcare, and the like.

    I feel pain for those for whom this issue matters. There's no joke that fit this situation. Deflection isn't what is in order. Someone needs to roar: We never should have arrived at this point and we will not go here - in any fashion - again.

    I feel pain for a company that, despite clear evidence of promise, can't stop shooting itself in its foot.

    There needs to be a shake up. There needs to be new leadership. I'd start by firing whatever board is supposed to be in charge of long term planning and policymaking.
    Last edited by CrankyOldMan; 03-06-2006 at 01:07 AM.
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    DS could have handled this a lot better if they had at least sent us a note telling us the steps they were taking instead of outright banning domains behind everybody's back. If it wasn't for Cranky to discover it we would still be kept in the dark. In my opinion this is simply not right.

    It's a serious problem that has to be tackled, but there's no excuse for not even taking a few moments to make their publishers aware of the drastic move, temporary or not.

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    Originally posted by CrankyOldMan
    Matt, by that comment you are moving from the unreal to the absurd. You want to deflect attention from the core issue? It's not going to gain traction except amongst the worst cynics: Those who stand to lose the most becasue they chose to invest in promoting the sleeze industry.
    Huh?

    Because I support immediate action to harm those domainers that "chose to invest in promoting the sleeze industry." at short term expense to 99.9% of domainers that didn't, I gain traction with them?

    I don't get it or you. I'm really confused - or are you?

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    Originally posted by hifi
    It's a serious problem that has to be tackled, but there's no excuse for not even taking a few moments to make their publishers aware of the drastic move, temporary or not.
    I agree with that. I look beyond the inconvenience and the lack of communication in the name of a good cause. Give them a break and we may all benefit in the long run, no matter how annoyed we may be at their, thus far, lack of communication.

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