Lighten up Dumpster. You may be a local legend but here you're just one of the boys. Thicker skin is an aid to education here. When we set out to prove how smart we are chances are pretty good that someone here will do a good job of letting the air out of the bag. We've all been there. Grab a sense of humor and drag it along with you. We all do a better job of getting smarter when we recognize how much we don't really know and how unimportant it really is to "look smart", a proposition that I forget more than I care to admit. How liberating it is to say "I don't know. What do you think? What can you tell me?"

And yes, Pompous Windbag is one of my characters. He jumps in and I start channeling him without the slightest effort and all my best friends let me know when he's around - which tends to cause him to flee and inhabit other nearby egos seriatim - mostly those egos weakened by too many years of practicing law or medicine or holding executive positions or having achieved some measure of business or financial success. (Have I forgotten the qualities or history of anyone who's a member here?)

Occupational hazard, this business of "holding forth". Don't fret for me, though, I get over it rather quickly. One of the benefits of old age.

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Originally posted by Nexus
When the following thread resolves its outstanding issues, it will be an interesting case for what's been said in this thread about immediately qualifying any "traffic" as of acceptable value. The "three mortgage domain names" mentioned, were not disclosed by name by the seller, and are being offered on traffic value alone. That exact scenario becomes a contentious one when experience dictates that something does not add up.

http://www.domainstate.com/showthrea...threadid=46943

~ Nexus

That's a good thread to compare.

On the other thread, my scam meter is very near the red. The reason why is the person is trying to sell them, sell them quick, only has 2 days of data, etc. If what the person says is true, at $95/2 days, they'd only need 66 days to reach the $3000 level. No one, not even a crazy person is going to sell $17,000 worth of domains (per year) for $3000.

Compare to my thread... I'm not trying to sell the domain in question, have no "act fast" BS, nor any outragious claims of earnings.

What the other person is probably doing is a cpc game. Pay for clicks to earn clicks. Do it for a few days and pocket $3K less a few hundred $ for the cpc.

Originally posted by domstar
Compare to my thread... I'm not trying to sell the domain in question, have no "act fast" BS, nor any outragious claims of earnings.

Comparing this thread and that thread isn't the point though. Saying why your thread "is better", just changes the topic and mutes the issue about why ONLY traffic is a problem as a "buying" factor by itself.

Were all the dubious elements removed from the other thread (quick sale, "I need the money", complimenting those who simply "believe" the data as being "smart", lack of immediate responses), the concise questions would remain that would prove or not prove the nature of the traffic beginning with the actual *name*. Essentially the NAME ITSELF is the "picture" that is worth a thousand words.

Take safesys' step-by-step on what didn't line up (these observations stem from experience that supersedes simply looking at the traffic data and no further, and extends... to metrics gleaned from knowing the name itself and the "terms" the name represents):

Originally posted by safesys
I've seen the stats and unfortunately they raise more questions than they answer as the number of visitors to number of clicks makes it look like either bot or self clicking.

The names have no linkpop, no overture for the terms, almost zero pages using the terms on google in any meaningful sense so there is a lack of an obvious traffic origin. The actual traffic volume is extremely low, but its the unsually high click volume that is generating the stats revenue.

The combination of the strange click stats and lack of an explanation for traffic origin would suggest extreme caution be used in using the stats as a basis for a purchase decision.

At this point, I think its safe to say that without a clear, vetted source of origin, traffic should be suspect by default on a name.

It seems that people familiar with the topic seem to peer into the common "pump & dump" strategies used by would be domain name salesmen (even unintentional "quick" sellers). Artificially inflated Alexa and Overture scores, poor logical connection between the traffic and the name, etc). Some people will immediately see tie-ins to an explanation where other people won't. For instance, a name like "votergasum.com" You could type the name into Google, and it would get you absolutely no-where as to determining why it would have traffic. --Although, some people would immediately see "votergasm.org", and make all the necessary connections regarding popular mentions in the media, etc. and how that type of traffic may fluctuate (especially if stats are given during voting time).

Bottomline... though its not *just* the stats, the name *may* only be used to help qualify traffic, and nothing more. If someone is ONLY looking for a name for its "traffic" value, they probably won't care what the name is called, so long as the stability of the revenue is assured.

~ Nexus

I think all of you need to go to sleep now,

Originally posted by Nexus
Saying why your thread "is better", just changes the topic and mutes the issue about why ONLY traffic is a problem as a "buying" factor by itself.~ Nexus

I'm not saying this thread is "better." I'm pointing out the difference in motivation. I was looking for some discussion on the subject, not trying to profit from a shady deal, yet I still feel some of the comments here implied otherwise.

Originally posted by domstar
I'm not saying this thread is "better." I'm pointing out the difference in motivation. I was looking for some discussion on the subject, not trying to profit from a shady deal, yet I still feel some of the comments here implied otherwise.

Ok, you did not say "better". Same difference. Talking about talking about something is kind of boring.

"Animation loops are used by virtually all animators. Some movements are repetitive (walking for instance), so a loop or cycle, i.e. an animation sequence which seamlessly repeats, is used. In the case of walking, the character is animated taking two complete steps (right foot to left foot back to right foot to tie-in to the starting position). Then the sequence can be repeated or cycled continuously - or as long as necessary. A loop may also be used in a scene of a car driving, in which the car doesn't "move" on screen but the background tracks or pans behind the car to give the illusion of motion.

In general, loops should be used sparingly and carefully lest they become obvious and distracting. If the driving car goes by the same background scenery more than 2 or 3 times, the loop is revealed and draws the attention of the audience away from the main action. " - ArtHistoryClub.com

~ Nexus

Originally posted by domstar
not trying to profit from a shady deal, yet I still feel some of the comments here implied otherwise.

That's the second time you have mentioned you are not trying to do anything shady or screw anyone. How you compute members that give you an opinion that's not favourable to you are implying you are a scam artist, is beyond me.

Many fine domainers have taken the time to give you an opinion in this thread. If you don't agree with their views, fine - don't insult them though.

Originally posted by Matty
That's the second time you have mentioned you are not trying to do anything shady or screw anyone. How you compute members that give you an opinion that's not favourable to you are implying you are a scam artist, is beyond me.

It's a long thread, I'll quote a few for you:

by safesys - The problem with that is that people will assume the worst

by Matty (that's you) - Without knowing the name how can anyone be sure it's free of TM's, isn't just link traffic etc, etc.

by snoopy - it is all pointless without knowing the domain, often these kinds of threads end out with the people saying the domain is microsoftpleasesueme.com and it is discovered the traffic is from russian link farms, I'm not implying that is neccessarily the case here but you can't just make up some kind of general multiple like you are trying to do.

Then your snide remark

by Matty - Like you, I've learnt something from this thread - has nothing to do with traffic domain values though.

Sheesh.

Then

by snoopy again - this is the kind of thing that people are often wrong about,

then this:

by hookups - snoops right. snoop is ALWAYS right! no domain, no appraisal can be given. i dont care how much traffic. how was addidas.com worth. considering that adidas just took it back, not much.

give domain name. why do so many people hide the domain when asking for an valuation.

It's clear to me the assumption made by these posters.

I think you're missing the point - people are not saying you are being shady - they are saying that valuing traffic blind means valuing based on the lowest value assumptions for the things they have to guess.

DomStar... you're asking for an APPRAISAL you're not trying to SELL the domain name. Considering WE ALL KNOW THIS, its clear NONE of the comments above are casting aspersions on you.

Slow down the tape and READ the comments again...

MATTY: Without knowing the name how can anyone be sure it's free of TM's, isn't just link traffic etc, etc.

You did not state whether there were TM's or not. Moreover, its not clear how you value whether a name has a TM or not. If you're response to a question like this would be "You think I would cheat you?" You miss the point that a perfectly honest person might be selling a traffic name that has TM issues. They may not even know. How's that about you???

SAFESYS: The problem with that is that people will assume the worst

Another innocuous statement. Quiz yourself, does the unspoken part of this sentence end in "--about the seller" or "--about the domain name and/or its traffic". I guarantee you that the statement above should be best viewed as the latter.

Think of it this way... while YOU may be willing to own BurgrKing.com, someone else may NOT, and therefore it will effect any appraisal. I've said all this before, but Domstar, like Matty said, you're dead set on making this about you. Consider that you may have a persecution complex over this.

Matty so-called "snide" comments (as well as safesys') are perfectly understandable notes of exasperation given your defensive responses.

Look at me, all my efforts at a detailed response to your topic, and you completely abandon every single point I made to participate in navel gazing.

I'm sorry, but its looking like Cranky was right.

~ Nexus

Originally posted by domstar
[B] by Matty - Like you, I've learnt something from this thread - has nothing to do with traffic domain values though.
Sheesh.

I did learn something from this thread that had nothing to do with domain traffic values.

I learnt that you'd argue the leg off a wood table. I'm starting to get embarrassed for you.