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~ Nexus

Originally posted by Speculator
You're wisening up...may be I should take heed from you!

take heed from my words not my actions!

Originally posted by generic
take heed from my words not my actions!

May I ask what was said that compelled you to shut up?

Actually I think I will just stay shut up.

I gotta work!


GL with the names spec!

Originally posted by Matty
That's the whole point, those that belch fire and brimstone against the dreaded commies, miss. They just don't and refuse to get it.

I was more than a little shocked when a recent post I made on this wound up getting a post telling me I'm flat out wrong. It's amazing. Many people here make money many different ways, even the "traffic whores" I know about dabble in other buisness models but that in no way rejects the simple and tried and true: find *ANY* domain with traffic, dump it into PPC, repeat as often as possible. It just does not get any more brain dead or effective way to preceed and thus there is such awesome competition regarding that *UNIQUE* buisness model. Perhaps its' simplicity is why people just don't accept it as true or possible nor accept how this basic model does extend to non PPC / developed usage???

But this continues to take thus tread way off topic, so I'll stop.

Originally posted by ILikeInfo
I know about dabble in other buisness models but that in no way rejects the simple and tried and true: find *ANY* domain with traffic, dump it into PPC, repeat as often as possible.

I certainly don't just dabble in ppc. I have other business models I work on that includes developed sites, even if they are simple and often white label.

The fact of the matter is I need traffic to generate income whether it be for ppc or selling ice to eskimos. I do not soley rely on .com for that traffic and I know many other 'commies' or 'commers' that post to these threads don't either.

I quoted safes

Heck, if .nu started to get traffic, I'd start getting .nu - I'm not proud.

which led you to quote my response

That's the whole point, those that belch fire and brimstone against the dreaded commies, miss. They just don't and refuse to get it.

The reason I made that statement is because it's obvious to me that many - lets call them newtlder's - think that the commies trash their name space for kicks, rather than having honest appraisals of the said name space. (Btw, it seems that anyone that doesn't see the same value in .info etc as the newtlder's is a commie. Unless you have the vision to what newtlds MAY be worth, in the future, you are a commie. If you have an opinion that in this day and age, the new tlds simply aren't worth the same as .com - you are a commie. Simply, it doesn't matter if it's fact.) Safe said, "Heck, if .nu started to get traffic, I'd start getting .nu - I'm not proud.", and the reason for that is ( check with him by all means ) if they are getting traffic they have a tangible worth well above their face value, as does .com.

I'm with you Matty. Another reason I posted what I did and the way I did is that I think my line you quoted also represents a foundational idea / model from which every other buisness model is sort of an offshoot offshoot of -- Which is kinda what you posted. Thus when that foundation gets rejected everything else fall apart as well, at least in my current model of domaining.

You guys and gals believe whatever you like all I know is my bank account grows everyday from .Ws I use my penny jar for my .coms

Nobody is saying you don't earn money from what you do - but it's development revenue. You are taking something with very little inherent market value and adding value to it by way of development.

You can't value a namespace based on the development activities of an individual. The market certainly doesn't.

Sounds like Mole has left more of a rallying cry than it otherwise seemed. It's funny that we've started using terms like "commies" and "commers" regularly.

~ Nexus

Originally posted by Nexus
Sounds like Mole has left more of a rallying cry than it otherwise seemed. It's funny that we've started using terms like "commies" and "commers" regularly.

Shame those terms are applied to those that simply argue logic whilst having NOT having ulterior motives.

It gives the new namespace advocates a common enemy to focus on and act as a binding rather than concerning themselves with the market. pretty sad really.

Originally posted by safesys
It gives the new namespace advocates a common enemy to focus on and act as a binding rather than concerning themselves with the market. pretty sad really.

Which is why I like to join in these debates as it's not possible to use that logic on me.

I think its more a playful term.

I do see imo defensiveness whenever anything even a little positive is posted about new tlds by some. Right away we are hit with how poorly it compares with .com ala overture numbers or some other comparative argument. There is almost a rush to it, its practically comedic. I believe other people see it too and that is why there is this perception. Instead of noting say a small progress or seeing anything positive in it - it is degraded.

The way I see it is that people who use the ppc/typein traffic model often have a sizable portion of .coms - the gtld - in their portfolios. .Com is also the king of extensions and this relates to typeins as well. While many use cctlds for the ppc model, the term "commie" reflects the idea that gtld wise and extension wise, .com is the most exploited extension in this respect.

The arguments that a "commie" will register any extension that gets typein traffic or ".commies" dont love .com but love traffic and income is true but not relevant to the new tld'ered main complaint imo - which is that the defensiveness stems from a ".commie" feeling that the .com superiority (natural typeins) is threatened and hence the value of his previously purchased stock (in terms of income generated through continuing typeins) is threatened due to expanding awareness of new gtld which may begin to turn the tide on one of the strengths of the gtld .com which is that many internet users assume all names end in .com. - .com natural typein strength. The threat is competition, pure and simple.

I think there is bias on both sides. "New tld'ers" may be biased because they are invested in new tlds (though of course many have .com TI names and use ppc) so they post about any little success. Some may continue to say that its all about the bottom line, logic and simple business - they have no bias other than to educate us with the "painful" truth. I would agree that it is about income and would put forth that new tld acceptance and successful competion will be competing for traffic out there that might have gone to .com in so many ways and this in the long run affects the bottom line of those with large stock of the gtld which has been used in the ppc model for a very long time now.

I use both models, and actually, "combine" both models in a sense which I think is the ultimate way to go. My feeling is that some people are subconciously threatened by any new gtld success because they are deriving income - gtld wise - from a tld that stands to not benefit (previously acquired stock) default typein wise from another gtld gaining internet users awareness on a major level.

Originally posted by generic
The arguements that a commie will register any extension that gets typein traffic or .commies dont love .com but love traffic and income is true but not relevant to the new tld'ered main complaint imo - which is that the defensiveness stems from a ".commie' feeling that the .com superiority (natural typeins) is threatened and hence the value of his previously purchased stock (in terms of income generated through continuing typeins) is threatened due to expanding awareness of new gtld which may begin to turn the tide on one of the strengths of the gtld .com which is that many internet users assume all names end in .com. - .com natural typein strength.

With respect and a fear of you wanting to shut up, I think the above is somewhat contradictory.

You hit the nail on the head with the first part. Though possibly a commie (I would have assumed that meant a lover of .coms) and a traffic whore (I would have assumed that meant a lover of traffic) are being welded together as one, though I admit, both ideals could be considered as one for a few.

The arguements that a commie will register any extension that gets typein traffic or .commies dont love .com but love traffic and income is true

The second part though
to me, seems to be at odds with the first.

but not relevant to the new tld'ered main complaint imo - which is that the defensiveness stems from a ".commie' feeling that the .com superiority (natural typeins) is threatened and hence the value of his previously purchased stock (in terms of income generated through continuing typeins) is threatened due to expanding awareness of new gtld which may begin to turn the tide on one of the strengths of the gtld .com which is that many internet users assume all names end in .com. - .com natural typein strength

Why would a commie/traffic whore care less what extension gave them traffic/income/value and complain? Because if new tlds took hold it dilutes the value of .com? Rubbish! They don't care about the value of .com - they care about the value of their entire holdings and what those holdings produce as income/value.

Originally posted by Matty
Why would a commie/traffic whore care less what extension gave them traffic/income/value and complain? Because if new tlds took hold it dilutes the value of .com? Rubbish! They don't care about the value of .com - they care about the value of their entire hodings and what those holdings produce as income/value.

the value of .com is the typein traffic in the ppc model - if the new successful gtld begins to erode this assumption of .com by internet users, and lessens the natural typein traffic - you lose income with those .com names that you already have in your holdings because there will be relatively less visitors and less clicks (regardless if more users are coming online) - pure and simple. It's competition, and it takes away your highest potential for earnings. So, one looks upon the potentially successful new gtld through a negative filter.