Originally posted by RobertF
The rest seems to be the same, you bid for a name or a "WLS slot" the same way than before , whether is for a "fixed price"(SN or NRR) or at at a " Bidding auction"...
You can still go after names or "WLS slots' for names that might never drop...
The Odds remain the same and commesurate with one's pocket book.
Do I am missing something ?

If something drops and you have wls on it, you will get it, it was said 100s of times.

For me is different if I pay USD7000 to namewinner or pool and I always suspect about fraud bids, which only benefit those two
or at end they dont even manage to catch the name and I loose it to buydomains, for me paying USD39 for NRR is 100% better.


There are people that complain about netsol-verisign all the time, but dont realize that what verisign did to domain industry noone will.

Why must verisign run wls? Because they have money, knowledge, power, laywers..etc

because dotster doesnt have resources and money to put up servers which will stay up and run without going down and when they do maintenace, all their services are interrupted for 24h, nice job.

enom could do it, but doesnt have enough money, why you say this? It looks strange when ceo of the company ask you 3 times over e-mail to participate in their clubdrop.

Tucows could do it, but tucows is shaving all their expenses to the max and who knows what would really happend with wls if they run it, it would probally cost them too much and price for NRR would be higher.

But if they do, someone will question again, who gives tucows the right to run WLS.

WLS is in best hands if its run by Verisign.


WLS 1A

Originally posted by cambler
All of the existing players, if WLS happens, will play.

Waiting until WLS happens means waiting until after pre-reg is over / possible -- Checkmate.

Waiting until WLS happens means waiting until after pre-reg is over / possible -- Checkmate.

They won't wait until after wls happens - as every day passes they will be assessing the likelihood of it being implemented and responding accordingly.

The earliest date for wls is Oct 11th - thats over a month away. All they need to do is ready code just in case and wait for the phone to ring from people who have lists and money or to prepare their own lists.

NRR is just the first public facing service and I feel that people are holding far too great an expectation of what NRR will be able to deliver.

enom could do it, but doesnt have enough money, why you say this? It looks strange when ceo of the company ask you 3 times over e-mail to participate in their clubdrop.

Thats a bizarre comment to make - its nothing to do with money, Verisign are the only entity able to do it because they are the only entity that is the registry for those names. Nobody else has access *at source*.

For me is different if I pay USD7000 to namewinner or pool and I always suspect about fraud bids, which only benefit those two or at end they dont even manage to catch the name and I loose it to buydomains, for me paying USD39 for NRR is 100% better.

Only bid what you think the name is worth - it really is that simple.

As for you losing, under wls you can and likely still will lose - only this time instead of it being due to the bid amount it will be because you beaten timewise. If you've not got yourself into a position where you can compete on the bids - what makes you think you will be able to compete on speed?

Originally posted by safesys
what makes you think you will be able to compete on speed?

I am not after 1000s of domain names per month, bd and ult are not my problems, I backorder 20-30 names which I want now trough snapnames and they get me 60% of these, 10% of these I get trough nw or pool, just 1 name trough pool or nw usually cost me more then all 20 trough snapnames, good deal for them?, yes I think soo.

bd and ult are using software to bid on namewinner and pool, that can put bids on last minute and seconds, similiar software is for ebay bidding.

bds scripts would only go after name, if they see that name is 2-3 months before it expires (and he is big volume cather, he doesnt put much energy to grab just one specific name), I usually snap this name before he does.

When wls is alive, bd , ult and others will still be catching domains without wls on them, trough their nw, pool, their registrar connections..etc

When wls is alive, bd , ult and others will still be catching domains without wls on them, trough their nw, pool, their registrar connections..etc

You think that names that have a shred of inherent value are going to pass through the wls without someone spotting them?

just 1 name trough pool or nw usually cost me more then all 20 trough snapnames, good deal for them?, yes I think soo.

I trust you realise just how expensive registrar connections are in the current system and don't think that pool/nw etc get to keep all of the bid amount for themselves?

Originally posted by chris41
If something drops and you have wls on it, you will get it, it was said 100s of times.

If...If ...If...If
The big picture remains the same...
If you manage to get the "chance for a WLS slot" that's all you get a chance...
If the registrar where you succeded to get the "chance for a WLS slot" actually get the "WLS slot" then and only then is yours (you still don't have the name") ...
....also a name might never drop.
There has been an incredible activitiy at NRR or SN even names in my "not so good" long 2 word tems have snaps or NRR now and that wasn't the case a few days ago...
One thing I do wonder is when the new mechanism for dropping names is activated (after WLS) ...
who will be the most succesful companies?
Will Pool.com be as succesful as now?
Will _ _ _ _ a "mediocre company" at catching names still be a mediocre company?
How about Snapnames ....(they know the in and outs)?
(BTW is that "Chemical Ali?)

Originally posted by safesys
The earliest date for wls is Oct 11th - thats over a month away. All they need to do is ready code just in case and wait for the phone to ring from people who have lists and money or to prepare their own lists.

Oct 27th 2003.

Given that certain parties spitted and brought Verisign to court for doing something that they fought so hard for and got approval by ICANN on, I don't think Verisign will be in a mood for mercy when it comes to shunting all future drops into the hands of NetworkSolutions.

Don't expect Verisign to give any quarter or consideration, to those who till today still seek to bring the .COM .NET registry to its knees.

This is no longer about landrush or moral fair play, this is about succeeding when others have publicly signed the petition for you to fall.

Moral of the story - Don't f*ck around with a company that paid US$22 BILLION dollars to earn some money for its shareholders at the end of the day.

How do you conclude they are trying to bring the .com and .net registry to its knees?

Originally posted by safesys
How do you conclude they are trying to bring the .com and .net registry to its knees?

The same way you conclude that .COM is the only way to go

I don't follow.

You've made a statement of fact, I'd like to see how you support it.

Originally posted by safesys
You've made a statement of fact, I'd like to see how you support it.

Correction. I made a statement of inference i.e. that companies with a couple of million capitalisation asking a multibillion listed corporation to eat s*it.

You can try to throw a smoke screen on the impending situation, but I doubt you can argue out of the real issue - hell hath no fury like a registry scorned.

I'm not throwing a smokescreen and you've still not answered the question. In what regard are they trying to bring the .com and .net registry to its knees.

Originally posted by safesys
In what regard are they trying to bring the .com and .net registry to its knees.

If you need me to be anal about it *presses keyboard typing expression style to |idiot IQ|*....

The DCJ wants Verisign to go home to mommy. Verisign says no, I won't go home to mommy. The DCJ says I will smack you and make you kneel in forgiveness for defying me. Verisign says go fish your daddy.

*rolleyes*

I'll say this. Reading ILikeInfo's comments, I do find it to be a striking note that as a customer, I would feel betrayed if the registrar I gave business to, did not give me fair warning to "get on board" early enough, for back-orders on names I want. If this registrar is telling me to boycott the system and such, and then at the last minute gives a "footnote" that they're signed up and taking pre-orders... (or worse, they never let on that they've signed up, and take pre-orders for private partners)... Not good. Understandable? I don't care. The end game is that I as a customer am being screwed. By Verisign? No, their product sounds like a boone to me. I can suddenly understand this convoluted system (talking "average consumer here). By my Registrar? Yes. On face value, talk of a monopoly to consumers who would look this closely at domain names, seems like twist of the issues. The person against WLS would come across as someone favoring 10 different ways to get a "maybe", instead of 1 way to secure a "yes", through whichever company I choose to do business with.

I guess there's just no getting around how messed up the situation has become. eNom has said that it WILL NOT be signing up to WLS. I suppose they can go back on their word, but it doesn't come off well.

Customers will need to scramble, call, and hunt for registrars that might help them, and hope that they don't get stabbed in the back finding one (no doubt it will be a company they've never heard of, done business with, or are able to find others like themselves that can give them a solid recommendation on). How sad.

Originally posted by safesys
you can plant your own apple tree in your back garden, you can buy apples from different growers and you can choose the type of apple.

An "apple" was never a concoction of weird science, made out of unstable molecules, endanger of evaporating into thin air, just as soon as "ripening" and becoming a bonafide meal. WLS makes it a real fruit instead of a scientific curiosity. Sure, the "best" apple's won't be created in mad/gifted scientist laboratories anymore... you're going to NEED someone who's purchased land from the government to grow on ("cost" set by what you were charged for your materials and land... unless you think of a creative business model to subsidize it). It's really too bad that the labs will lose business, and true, those apples still may go "bad" through natural forces like worms or weather, but I'd rather my "food" all originated from the land like it should have in the first place.

Verisign can either be "God" or "the government" in that analogy. Pick your ethos. Monopoly or Mother Nature? The echoing question "Who gives X the right to decide my sources?" seems the key point. Who'll buy the unstable apples, when material apples are available at a fixed cost? Well, some business model tweeks, and I think there's still possibilities (not to mention other fruit). True, you need to remove the important issue "either or" on each individual name, but I think the question of consumer benefit still weighs out the same on the grocery scale.

~ Nexus

Originally posted by Nexus
Pick your ethos. Monopoly or Mother Nature?

Monopoly!