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  1. #76
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    I have my lists and I keep track of all names, I am planning well using my own methods, which names might be renewed and which will drop,
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    Cool

    ... you tell me how...
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    in some situation, you could read that in some news, hear it somewhere, somehow visit their website and then you start sniffing if they have anything that might be cool.
    You missed out the possibility that lord lucan might mention it to you the next time you have a drink with him...
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    Originally posted by safesys
    You missed out the possibility that lord lucan might mention it to you the next time you have a drink with him...
    who the fish is lord lucan?

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    On the positive side, I hope WLS will mean that domain resellers get approached much more with sales enquiries. Right now, I believe most buyers (like me) are waiting for these resellers to liquidate, get totally disillusioned with the increasingly puny takes of this industry, or go bankrupt and let those names drop. It's a persistent Mexican standoff that the WLS may help fix a little.

    Stoc is true to say that some of us do monitor specific niches very carefully and consistently. Some buy names for keeps to actualise a long kept dream of a successful venture on the Internet. And when the time of picking is right, the investment power kicking in and all-corners-covered approaches of these "small minions" can sometimes surprise you.

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    I would expect that once the reality bites for the wls that there will be a small window of reseller to reseller sales - especially for traffic domains (the ones with those worthless - didn't you once say non existent? - type ins ) - this is because a lot of people are building their ppc revenues and once the wls comes in the oportunities to do so will diminish.
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    I'm only going to try and go for a couple of moderately nice domains which look likely not to be renewed.

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    Originally posted by safesys
    I really don't follow that logic.

    Here is an example. Lets assume a domain has a web company as its contacts - and the web company ceases trading - but was using a 3rd party host. The sites will stay active up until the domains go into expiry.

    The sweeping system of a professional domainer picks up on the fact that the web company has gone bust and compiles a list of sites with them as contact - knowing renewal notices will not reach anybody (as the email address no longer functions as the web companies domain expired). The sweeping system would pick up well in advance of any visible signs that there was a chance of the domain not being renewed (most likely at the point the domain of the web company was not renewed).

    At what stage would *you* have noticed this domain was likely to not be renewed?
    I agree safesys and it's a very sharp tactic that gives them an advantage over most. I'll try to answer how I focus to compete.

    Just one of the things I do is just what you mentioned above. As a "professional domainer", I do pay for services to "sweep" the entire list of domains looking for web companies that go bust. In fact, I tend to know about a company that goes bust ahead of Buydomains or most anyone else for that matter. My primary business (as one of your moderators is aware) is tracking troubled companies. I monitor ALL bankruptcy filings or troubled companies in the US and a number of foreign countries (including the .com failures) and advise their stockholders or claimants on the value of their holdings. I'm a bankruptcy analyst, hence the name stocdoctor. I then test to see what emails fail and end up with a list of pretty good bets on what will drop. These include domains in all kinds of areas, but I'm not interested in competing for all the generic drops like BD, I pick out only those in my niche areas (whether they have traffic etc. or not) and lock onto those.

    The trick above that you mentioned, includes following past or currently dropping domains and analyzing why they dropped and the likelyhood of other domains listed (not yet expired) with the same email address as contact will also drop. That takes a lot of work and expense to do, but I'm dead serious about my niche. I've paid a pretty good penny to buy non-dropping names in my area so the time and effort to fully analyse potential drops is worth the expense. There are several other things that can be done to figure out the likelyhood of a name dropping, but I'm hesitant to post every strategy that has taken me years to figure out. The point is that BD can be beat now and when (or if) WLS goes thru. For one, I doubt that they "test" the emails on all those potential drops, but I can on just my niche area. They are too widely spread out. I think this is one of the main reasons they fear the WLS, and I don't.

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    that puts you ahead of the pack, so you might well be in the minority that will make headway under the wls - but the majority of domainers aren't in that position.
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    Originally posted by safesys
    that puts you ahead of the pack, so you might well be in the minority that will make headway under the wls - but the majority of domainers aren't in that position.
    I agree with you safesys. Most domainers that count on the exody lists or others looking for redemption or pending delete lists and trying to use the various boutiques to catch a name are going to be hurt by the WLS. It's not good for them as a whole and if they don't do something like get more focused and intense in their searches, they will be out of the play.

    On the other hand, the WLS will also cut out some of the advantage that the likes of Buydomains has with their rrps and raise their costs substantially in their efforts to compete with everyone (imho). Of course the boutiques, Namewinner, Wizard etc. hate this thing. It might even hurt this board, as the numbers of players fall away. I don't like that part as I enjoy the crowd. But I'll be around, and I hope most of my friends will be too. Doc

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    I would certainly class you as a professional domainer stoc, but I sure hope the other WLS supporters who aren't in that bracket realise why you are supporting it (because it will likely benefit you) and think carefully about whether they will be so lucky and make their pro or anti judgement on reasoned logic rather than blind hope.
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    Originally posted by safesys
    I would certainly class you as a professional domainer stoc, but I sure hope the other WLS supporters who aren't in that bracket realise why you are supporting it (because it will likely benefit you) and think carefully about whether they will be so lucky and make their pro or anti judgement on reasoned logic rather than blind hope.
    Thanks safesys. But don't put me into the WLS supporters column. I will do fine under either scenario. If it helps, I'll make it very clear.

    This WLS thing is BAD for the general domainer crowd. It will wipe out most of the group and (imho) is mostly a blatant move by Verislime to channel additional fees to themselves and away from the secondary domain catching services. It's unfair and was agreed to by ICANN and their counsel in the face of a recommendation from their advisors to reject the plan. The whole thing stinks on ice. doc

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    Originally posted by mole
    On the positive side, I hope WLS will mean that domain resellers get approached much more with sales enquiries. Right now, I believe most buyers (like me) are waiting for these resellers to liquidate, get totally disillusioned with the increasingly puny takes of this industry, or go bankrupt and let those names drop.
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    heres a piece of friendly advice: don't hold your breath
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    ICANN Meetings in Montreal on June 22-26
    WLS will be debated there.

    When is WLS supposed to be realized if it will be..
    months, year (was there any date) ? .
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