Originally posted by mole
Define a good drop, kid.

Sure, it happens everyday that people get dropped names. There are about 10-30k dropping everyday. The drops I got at dirt cheap prices were "good" to me, just like the drops you got were "good" to you. To each his own.

It doesn't change the fact that when BD targets and zooms in on a good name, then you better say your prayers.

What WLS will do is to tell you - Game Over - transparently and no pussy footing. That saves you tons of time chasing all over the mudstack for something in which the game IS essentially over.

a good drop?

freemarket.com
chapter11.com
seeds.com
reporter.com
top.org
rhymes.net
shopper.net
servers.com
cigarettes.net
layout.com
utilize.com
sorceress.com
offshore.com
girlsporn.com
games.org
ad.net


are those good enough for you? I could list thousands more but i don't want to spend all night going through my files.

Question:
How many of the above names were grabbed by buydomains?


Answer: 0

Originally posted by lotsofissues
Have you ever considered many domainers oppossed to WLS are taking such a position because they are doing fine?

Absolutely lots, both BD and the other key drop players and suppliers prefer the current system because it serves their ends well.

Originally posted by kidkool

freemarket.com
chapter11.com
seeds.com
reporter.com
top.org
rhymes.net
shopper.net
servers.com
cigarettes.net
layout.com
utilize.com
sorceress.com
offshore.com
girlsporn.com
games.org
ad.net

Are these your names, kid?

Originally posted by mole
Absolutely lots, both BD and the other key drop players and suppliers prefer the current system because it serves their ends well.

The point I'm making:

Diametrically oppossed to your claim the game is over if the wls holder back orders, is my assertion that holding the wls spot on a prenium name will be an even thinner thread of hope then a current holder of a snap.
The domain will never expire because either one of the couple dozen ppl inquiring into it bought it or the owner was made aware.

Originally posted by lotsofissues
Diametrically oppossed to your claim the game is over if the wls holder back orders, is my assertion that holding the wls spot on a prenium name will be an even thinner thread of hope then a current holder of a snap.
The domain will never expire because either one of the couple dozen ppl inquiring into it bought it or the owner was made aware.

Isn't that one and the same claim? Yes I agree, WLS will encourage buyers to approach registrants directly instead of waiting for the ghost of a chance of a successful catch of a dropped name. This will definitely give a boost to the reseller market, which is currently in the doldrums like never seen before.

I suspect Verisign might even use the database of WLS held to email market the registrants to persuade the renewal the domains with NetworkSolutions - it seems perfectly plausible. So your statement about owner notification seems very likely.

Do you suspect Buydomains is beating you @ NW?

Is it plausible they will also pitch a higher offer to the owner then you?

Originally posted by mole
Are these your names, kid?

No, but what's that go to do with the price of tea in china? The point is they were all grabbed by people competing who were victorious. You stated that people have no chance to beat buydomains on any of the top names if BuyDomains wants them. I guess they either didn't want any of those names, or your statement was uninformed and without foundation. I suppose you could make the cheap argument, that "people get lucky sometimes", when in actuality people beat ultsearch and buydomains every single day the top names. That's why we are against WLS. Because the current system favors smart people. WLS or no WLS I'll still be successful. Since I am having success in the current system, which you have stated is nearly impossible, then surely i won't have much trouble competing in the dumbed down version. In order to assume that one would be better to able to beat buydomains in a different system you'd have to believe that they would be using the same strategy they use in the current system, which is an absurd assumption of course.

Originally posted by lotsofissues
Do you suspect Buydomains is beating you @ NW?

Is it plausible they will also pitch a higher offer to the owner then you?

(a) I cannot say anything about the NW bidding system, except that I find the system a bit strange. Actually, I don't really mind BD beating me at NW since their names are instantly for sale at reasonable prices. What concerns me most is the thought of the name I want going to elequa or Ults - the name can be stuck there forever unless you are willing to pay a king's randsom, and even then, it could be a "no, this name is NOT for sale"

(b) Why not, but its not the current business model (as far as what is publicly understood) of BD to buy names from registrants directly. Hopefully, this might change. The resellers are the people with most to gain from this shift in thinking.

Originally posted by kidkool
No, but what's that go to do with the price of tea in china?

Point made

Originally posted by kidkool
WLS or no WLS I'll still be successful. Since I am having success in the current system, which you have stated is nearly impossible, then surely i won't have much trouble competing in the dumbed down version.

Agreed, so you won't sue Verisign then I gather

Originally posted by mole
(a) What concerns me most is the thought of the name I want going to elequa or Ults - the name can be stuck there forever unless you are willing to pay a king's randsom, and even then, it could be a "no, this name is NOT for sale"

You concede then under WLS, the small fish have even less of a snowball's chance in hades of winning a prenium name?

Originally posted by lotsofissues
You concede then under WLS, the small fish have even less of a snowball's chance in hades of winning a prenium name?

Well, if kid is a small fish then he sure as hell doesn't think so

I believe WLS will forever change the fundamental view of how domainers acquire premium names - via direct contact rather than waiting endlessly for drop opportunities in hope of getting names dirt cheap.

It is already apparent in today's harse and extremely competitive economy that small players will either have to niche/specialise, or die. The WLS only helps accentuate that fact.

Sounds to me like:

Small players will have a more difficult time with less opportunities under WLS.

Originally posted by mole


I believe WLS will forever change the fundamental view of how domainers acquire premium names - via direct contact rather than waiting endlessly for drop opportunities in hope of getting names dirt cheap.

No because they will not be making end-user offers. Offers from dropcatchers will increase, but there will be little to no difference when it comes to those outside the domain industry, who are the people who make the most reasonable offers.

It is already apparent in today's harse and extremely competitive economy that small players will either have to niche/specialise, or die. The WLS only helps accentuate that fact. [/B]

But they can already do that under the current system. If people want crappy niche domains they can just buy them from the owner for a few hundred dollars right now. If it is a top domain the WLS slot just isn't going to cut it. The top names are for sale at huge prices, which people like elequa could afford to pay, but might not. They still will contact the owner though to test the waters. Therefore the name won't sell, and also won't drop because the owner would have been alerted to as to the domain's looming expiration. That leaves just the crappy domains. So yes WLS may be advantageous to the small player being able to grab third rate domains. For me that doesn't have an appeal to it.

Originally posted by lotsofissues
Sounds to me like:

Small players will have a more difficult time with less opportunities under WLS.

Not necessarily, lots. Changes bring threats, but it can also bring opportunities. The big players will need time to learn and adjust to a new system, like it or not. The smart niche player will have a window of opportunity before the mist on Gorilla Mountain clears to sweep in a few trophies. Just like the time when PIR was doing the transition for .org.

It does seem however, that the big players are actually the ones who think they will have a more difficult time with less opportunities under WLS. Enlisting the help of lawyers and the US Congress to fight the WLS proposition does indicate that concern is brewing big time.