, i am not telling you that WLS will come to life. )))))))))))))))) I am just telling you if it comes it is ok. I will find good domains again, if it wont no problem i ll keep on backordering domains. calm down cambler. dont be such fanatic

Ah, but you see, if it comes, you'll never get another good domain again. It'll bias the whole game towards the big players.

I agree with safesys and company for the most part on this subject. The only way to beat the deep pockets and automation (which is basically the same thing + knowledge), is

1. find a niche focus area and advance beyond the big bucks information wise. Doesn't matter if it's the current system or wls.
2. Become the big fish in the smaller pond (niche) where you will offer the best bid on the focus group name before it drops.

If you've developed the area, know the players, and what's happening within that niche you'll have a leg up on the automated systems in advance of the first drops, related information and patterns. If your smaller database matches the complexity of the larger pockets, and you have pockets of your own to bid up a name beyond that of the generalizers (the pros), you can take a name. You just have to pay up for it. Why shouldn't you, you're the end user afterall.

In that event, the wls will be an advantage for the few, the proud, the niche players. For the majority working off the current drop system, they'll be gone, and the competition will be reduced.

Originally posted by newlife RealNames: Thats what i am exactly thinking of. Snapnames missed 14 domains for me in the past 2 years. And 4 of them had a NW bid over $5000. Also total bids are somewhat like $30.000. And i am sure i ll find great names again with WLS. And this time when i got deleted it will be mine

Yes, WLS will be your opportunity to get some good ones. I am not talking about top-tier drops which have heavy competition, but drops on names which get say 50 plus returns at Suggestion Tool and sell for a few hundred bucks or so, and not on everyones radar screen way in advance.

If you have some indication a lower-tier name may drop, it will likely be yours under WLS. I seriously doubt big players will waste their WLS money on targeting them much at all.

"The best names won't delete at all, and your WLS will be wasted.

The best names that *do* delete will have a WLS placed on them long before you determine that you want one.

You'll find that the truism of "all the good names are taken" now also applies to "all the good WLSs are taken."

With the drop as it is, you at least have a chance by bidding for a name, or buying multiple drop service accounts."
excerpts from Cambler post..
Yes, Yes, Yes...
This statement describes:
a) the current sate of affairs
b)as well as "Life after WlS"
C) and life after "WANEBVICIWLS F""
(Whatever Any New Effort By Verislime Is Call If WLS Fails )
Whoever is a Big Doggie right now (Ult search, Buy Names etc etc )will allways be a Big Doggie WLS or Not....
Whoever is a medium size Doggie...
Whoever is a Small Doggie (me...rofl) ....
And the results will not change and will remain the same that now...
Today:
My good names already have snaps by the Big Doggies even after I renewed them 2 months ago ...
Tomorrow (if WLS happens):
my names will have WLS's by the Big Doggies...
Tomorrow (if WLS fails)
My names will have "Whatevertheywanttocallit" by the Big Doggies..
"The mastiffs.com" stories of the world are far and in between (not taking anything away from Drew nor the Wizard) but the point is that the system (whatever the system is..) is seldom beaten but it can happen .... thru methodology and a aggresive $$$ business plan (placing snaps 1 year before names renewes...? bidding serious money for names $$$$ )...not by placing 10 different mediocre and worthless "catch" services in a name (that can't catch a cold...not even in winter time!) and doing a lot of whinning !

wow realnames you are kidding yourself.

When a co. like Ult who make 6 figures per day does it's research and purchases their WLS subscriptions there won't be much left but the low, low tier names which suck anyway.
No chance to get the names like "sheds.net" and "chimeneas.net" and "ezine.org" which I grabbed in competition with everyone else. These names would have been long gone and reserved by BD, Ult et al.

Doesn't make it worse that it's Verisign who will be in charge of it? THat it is verisigns idea? THis doesn't raise a red flag with pro wlsers?

I am curious as to the demographic of the Pro wls supporter vs. the anti wls supporter. That would be some interesting information!

At this point I have not one bit of information which would sway me towards wls and the fact that verisign is behind it pushes me HARD away from it!

Peace!

I sympathize with you RealNames. Completely.

I finished making that argument a few months ago though. Completely abandoned it. Why? Because you simply DON'T KNOW. You're sure hoping really hard though, and that's a good spirit to have if you don't get lost in it.

In regards to chances at a given name... ANYTHING could happen after WLS is adopted.

I'm fairly convinced now, however, that WLS will change the drop catching industry from the "Wild Wild West" to a very meticulous game of 3-dimensional chess with a giant timer hanging above the "board" and some interesting "pieces" with unique abilities on either side.

Don't know what anyone else thinks, but I'm CERTAIN there will be "blind spots" in anyone's scheme of automation (and in *everyone's* scheme as a whole that excludes any given individual speculator). You just can't depend on those blind spots, or make any real comments about them. They'll certainly be moving targets too.

I don't have a whole lot invested in the domain speculating industry, so I'm generally curious to see what the landscape of opportunity shapes up to be afterwards. Visions of "apocalyspe" are subjective, but I certainly understand those too. For me, it will just be a change of the rules.

Best,
~ Nexus

Wild Wild West: "All said and done, it all came down to the luck of the draw..."
Chess: "The game was over after you moved your 2nd piece..."

It's chess now. You just don't realize it. I play it every day.

Originally posted by Nexus
Don't know what anyone else thinks, but I'm CERTAIN there will be "blind spots" in anyone's scheme of automation (and in *everyone's* scheme as a whole that excludes any given individual speculator). You just can't depend on those blind spots, or make any real comments about them. They'll certainly be moving targets too.

Originally posted by cambler
It's chess now. You just don't realize it. I play it every day.

Nope, I realize it, but it all comes down to the luck of the draw right now, Chris. I'm not arguing with your point though. Every cowboy's got to have a game plan if he plans to survive (sometimes really SMART game plans that pretty much beat most of his opponents without even drawing his gun)... doesn't mean he won't get shot in the back though.

Right now we're comparing current reality with something that doesn't and may never exist... so, you may be right that WLS' won't work in a bunch of cases. :: shrug :: That would certainly suck.

~ Nexus

It's not luck, though, you see. There is some randomness involved, but it is, like any good chaotic system, possible to model it.

Originally posted by cambler
It's not luck, though, you see. There is some randomness involved, but it is, like any good chaotic system, possible to model it.

Okay. There's a small subjective point where "chaos systems" and "luck" are fuzzy comparisons, and we may dicker forever on how to define it. WLS effectively kills much of the randomness, and supposedly puts the "game" squarely in the province of "strategy" (and resources). Like the difference between Chess and Poker.

Or better maybe, Stratego/Reversi and Black Jack. You can write strategy on them all, but there's still a decidedly different manner in which you would plan for success.

~ Nexus

Not sure where the blind spots will be? Lets say there are 10 cos like bd and ult. I am sure that all blind spots will be found by 1 or more very quickly.

Originally posted by Nexus
Okay. There's a small subjective point where "chaos systems" and "luck" are fuzzy comparisons, and we may dicker forever on how to define it. WLS effectively kills much of the randomness, and supposedly puts the "game" squarely in the province of "strategy" (and resources). Like the difference between Chess and Poker.

Or better maybe, Monopoly and Black Jack.

~ Nexus

I think it will be more resources and less strategy.
Once the system for determining a "good" name is in place those names will be picked up.
The big factor is the money. How much can the big players spend and for how long?
I imagine the number of "speculators" will grow significantly and the number od BDs and Ults will also grow if the investments seems like a good one.

I'm thinking there will be no wls anyways so these may all be moot points.

>The big factor is the money. How much can the big players spend and for how long?

And all of that money goes to Verisign. All of it. 100%.