Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:18:21 -0700
From: "Office Of the President" <***@godaddy.com> Add to Address Book
To: "me" <****@*******>
Subject: Re: go daddy guaranteed backorder additional questions:


Dear Mr. ****,

Thank you for writing. To answer your questions if the domain name *******.com is not renewed by the current registrant then the backorder will pick it up. We are currently planning to stick with the 1 backorder per domain name, but this could change down the road. We do not notify the current registrant if the domain name has a backorder on it. We do not know if we will keep the price the same for the backordering service. We are not going to announce guaranteed backorders, because the backorder process is not guaranteed if the current registrant renews the domain name. We use 3 registrars to backorder the domains Godaddy.com, Wildwest domains.com, and Bluerazor.com. We are not announcing the backorder process on our site at this time and do not have any plans to. Please let us know if we have answered all your questions.


Kindest Regards,

*** *******
Office of the President
GODADDY.COM
14455 N. Hayden Road, Suite #226
Scottsdale, AZ 85260
Phone - 480.505.8828
Fax - 480.505.8844
***@godaddy.com

Thanks for the update levelhighcom. Hope you get the name.

This can't be true because ever since this "behind the scenes announcement" came out I have exclusively trying to catch GD/WWD domains with GD backorders. I even backordered one before it hit redemption period. Not a single catch, they all went to Pool or ClubDrop.

Anyone else have luck?

This can't be true because ever since this "behind the scenes announcement" came out I have exclusively trying to catch GD/WWD domains with GD backorders.

presumably those had already entered "traditional" redemption and this new process couldn't apply to them unlike new *expiries*.

Originally posted by any URL
What's the legal position on this. I've got a dozen names registered for a client that seems to have disappeared. When they expire, can I move them to a new host to keep them in the zone, and enter them into my own mock redemption. At the end of this, if they haven't been reclaimed, are they mine legally?

Not an attorney, but there's no legal position at all if the names
expired. You have rights to the name/s only if:

1) The domain names are registered to you or any of your
holdings:

2) Whoever is listed as the registrant gives you authorization to
manage the name while it's still paid, and:

3) You paid for it.

Originally posted by any URL
What's the legal position on this. I've got a dozen names registered for a client that seems to have disappeared. When they expire, can I move them to a new host to keep them in the zone, and enter them into my own mock redemption. At the end of this, if they haven't been reclaimed, are they mine legally?

It sounds like you're saying "transfer" them to another registrar and create a "fake redemption" somehow? That doesn't make a lot of sense on the face of it. When your name expires, its either "renew" or "renew/transfer" or "expire/restore" or "expire/pending-delete/delete". In many cases (though not all), trying to transfer after the expire date is useless, as the domain name is often put into "registrar-hold" where you can't move it, and it's already out of the zone.

~ Nexus

Far as I know... the "magic" of GoDaddy's system, is you need to PURCHASE a backorder, before you can even check that one is available. Backorders are indefinite, so if your name is already backordered, you can just pick something different. (Unless I'm missing something.)

A simple check on domain availability will tell you if the back order is available. The name will have the option to back order immediately below the statement 'Not available' if the option is not present then the godaddy backorder has already been taken.

Back orders are valued for 12 months with unlimited changes

There is no 12 month limit.

Originally posted by Bailey

Back orders are valued for 12 months with unlimited changes

Originally posted by Bailey
A simple check on domain availability will tell you if the back order is available. The name will have the option to back order immediately below the statement 'Not available' if the option is not present then the godaddy backorder has already been taken.

Ah... I guess that'll do.

Originally posted by Bailey
Back orders are valued for 12 months with unlimited changes

Did something change? Used to be Snapnames deal, but I always knew GoDaddy to have that one difference (allowing customers to keep biting at the apple until success, and not providing goose eggs for a year of failure).

~ Nexus

Originally posted by levelhighcom
From: "Office of the President - GoDaddy" <***@godaddy.com> Add to Address Book
To: "ME" <*********@*********.com>
Subject: Re: godaddy backordering suggestion
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:34:16 -0700


Dear Mr. ***,

Thank you for taking the time to write in, and Happy New Year to you also. We would like to inform you that our backorder service has changed to include an auto-name guaranteed catch similar to what you mentioned. This change was made near the end of the year, and unfortunately is not retroactive to the two domain names you mentioned, which will go through the regular process. However, in the future if you backorder a domain that is currently registered with the Go Daddy Group, and that domain expires without being renewed by the registrant and falls to redemption, you will be 100% guaranteed to catch the name.

Please let us know if you have any other questions.

Kindest Regards,

***@godaddy.com
*** *******
GODADDY.COM
14455 N Hayden Rd Suite 226
Scottsdale, AZ, 85260
Phone: 480-505-8828
Fax: 480-505-8844

I was just told today by GoDaddy support that i am NOT guaranteed to get a domain that i have a backorder on. This domain drops on 2/23 and is registered at GoDaddy.

Support stated to me that you are only guaranteed the domain if you are the previous registrant. An example he gave me was, for instance, If you have a domain registered at GoDaddy and it goes into the redemption period, then you are guaranteed to get it back if you have the backorder on it. This way you dont have to pay a redemption fee.

He stated that because i am not the previous registrant of the domain that drops on 2/23, i am not guaranteed to get it even though i have the backorder and it is registered at GoDaddy. Only the previous registrant is guaranteed to get the domain, if he has the GoDaddy backorder.

GoDaddy, please clear this up.

What is at issue is what happens at the point GoDaddy's system decides to "delete" a given domain name.

Previously when a name was deleted it went into Pending Delete and the registry would then have total control of the name, and GoDaddy would almost totally loose control of the name (ie must pay very high redemption fee to regain domain control).

What has changed is this: At the moment GoDaddy's system is about to delete the domain it first looks for a GoDaddy backorder and if there is one that backorder is *LOCKED* (= you can't edit or delete it) and the domain is *NOT* deleted at the registry -- It's on an internal hold of sorts.

Now this all said I beleive the current registrant is still allowed to nenew the domain at which point my backorder will unlock and change to the "failed" state. If the registrant does not renew (I think they have 70 days) then the name will be moved to my account and updated with my whois -- In effect the name "dropped" internally and I "caught it".

But you must keep in mind that you *MUST* place the back order *BEFORE* the name gets deleted at the registry. If you place the backorder after it's delete at the registry then GoDaddy pursues the name just like any other drop catcher. So you must be organized enough, to place the backorder "early" and also have the intestinal fortitiude to do so as many names will get renewed so you need a lot more back order credits to place this kind of game.

I currently have 2 names in this state and awaiting the final action of seeing them "drop" into my account.

From: support@godaddy.com Add to Address Book
To: me
Subject: Important Backorder Notification
Date: 24 Feb 2005 06:09:32 -0700







Dear Valued Go Daddy Customer,

This email is to inform you that the current
registrant(s) of the domain name(s) listed below have not yet renewed their domain name. If the name(s) indicated are not renewed by the current registrant by 6:00 PM MST on the date indicated, we will lock your backorder. This lock period can last up to 70 days and during this time you will be unable to move the backorder to a different domain name.

************.COM - 02/26/2005

Please remember that the current registrant may still renew their domain. If this happens, you will be notified that the domain was renewed and at that point you will be able to move your backorder to a different domain name.

If you no longer wish for us to secure the domain name(s) listed above, you have until the date specified to re-assign the backorder credit.

To reapply your backorder credit to another name, click here to log in to your account, then click "Change Settings" next to the domain you wish to modify.

If you need any further assistance or technical support, call us any time at 480-505-8877 or email us at support@godaddy.com. Thanks as always for being a Go Daddy customer.

Sincerely,
GoDaddy.com DomainAlert team




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Originally posted by levelhighcom
From: support@godaddy.com Add to Address Book
To: me
Subject: Important Backorder Notification
Date: 24 Feb 2005 06:09:32 -0700







Dear Valued Go Daddy Customer,

This email is to inform you that the current
registrant(s) of the domain name(s) listed below have not yet renewed their domain name. If the name(s) indicated are not renewed by the current registrant by 6:00 PM MST on the date indicated, we will lock your backorder. This lock period can last up to 70 days and during this time you will be unable to move the backorder to a different domain name.

************.COM - 02/26/2005

Please remember that the current registrant may still renew their domain. If this happens, you will be notified that the domain was renewed and at that point you will be able to move your backorder to a different domain name.

If you no longer wish for us to secure the domain name(s) listed above, you have until the date specified to re-assign the backorder credit.

To reapply your backorder credit to another name, click here to log in to your account, then click "Change Settings" next to the domain you wish to modify.

If you need any further assistance or technical support, call us any time at 480-505-8877 or email us at support@godaddy.com. Thanks as always for being a Go Daddy customer.

Sincerely,
GoDaddy.com DomainAlert team




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I still don't see anywhere : "You will be guaranteed the domain"..
does somebody else see any assurance of receiving the domain ?.

Originally posted by RobertF
I still don't see anywhere : "You will be guaranteed the domain"..
does somebody else see any assurance of receiving the domain ?.

Like I said, you are guareenteed if and only if the domain is not renewed by the current registrant. So you're only guarenteed once the renewal times out. In other words you are guarenteed to get the name if and only if the registrant does not renew during that 70 days *EXTENDED* renewal period -- Your backorder blocks *ALL* other backorders.

I also read somewhere on GoDaddy's site that GoDaddy *DOES NOT* do anything different now regarding renewal notifications of the current registrant. In other words they are treating the domain sort of as if it was sent to registry redemption, it's up to the registrant to have responded to the original renewal notices or figure out they can still renew.

All and all I think GoDaddy has done a great job with this service and how they are handling things espicially given the price. In many ways it is WLS.

Originally posted by ILikeInfo
Like I said, you are guareenteed if and only if the domain is not renewed by the current registrant. So you're only guarenteed once the renewal times out. In other words you are guarenteed to get the name if and only if the registrant does not renew during that 70 days *EXTENDED* renewal period -- Your backorder blocks *ALL* other backorders.

I also read somewhere on GoDaddy's site that GoDaddy *DOES NOT* do anything different now regarding renewal notifications of the current registrant. In other words they are treating the domain sort of as if it was sent to registry redemption, it's up to the registrant to have responded to the original renewal notices or figure out they can still renew.

All and all I think GoDaddy has done a great job with this service and how they are handling things espicially given the price. In many ways it is WLS.

Already then....
I take 3.
There is a " Mounstro name"about to be expired.
Should I mention your name for a posssible discount ?